Hi Lu, though most of your comments are not related to the content of the proposal but I'm happy to respond.
On Thu, 25 Aug 2022 at 16:00, Lu Heng <[email protected]> wrote: > Nomination committees of any sort, only create controversies within RIRs. > That's your opinion and you are entitled to have one, so let's just leave it there. > In ARIN, there have been multiple controversies where qualified candidates > weren't included in the voting process, thereby causing community backlash. > > NRC's role and responsibilities are different, please review the document again. > In AFRINIC, the so-called nomination committee that disqualified everyone is > the very reason the whole election was injuncted and is currently pending a > court order to be organized and run. > > can't comment on a case pending court order but again review the role and responsibility of NRC again. A background info search and publication of such search info together in which relation with candidacy is reasonable, a clear guideline of what info would be considered relevant to the relevant position should be established, and a fine balance must be struck between respecting a candidates' privacy and the voter's rights to relevant information. > > Glad to know that you do support publication of relevant information of candidates. Once again if you read the role and responsibility of the NRC then it will help you understand more. In that case, anyone should be able to be a candidate, provided full information has been given to the voters. And even if the voters decide to vote for a person with a criminal record, as long as all voters are well informed and decide that person deserves a second chance, then we must respect this bottom-up and democratic process. > > Help me understand, do you support a committee (in this case NRC) which is elected by the community in a most transparent manner, which is the whole idea of bottom-up approach? > In most democratic states, anyone can run for head of the state without a > nomination committee hand pick them in a dark room, and I don't think any > position here would be more important than an actual President of the states, > so why do we want to prevent people from running and contesting? > > Nope, that's not that case in many democratic states. People don't actually vote for the head of state but we are not discussing the presidential and the parliamentary system here and lets not add Monarchy in the mix. Anyways, I love this topic but it's not relevant for this discussion. Give the voters all the information they need and let them decide for themselves who they want as their leaders. Anything other than that will lead to either community backlash or court proceedings; both of which Afrinic is currently experiencing right now. And what happened in ARIN multiple times now. > > Again, I'm not going to comment on what is happening in AFRINIC but if you once again read the role and responsibilities of NRC then it will help you understand more. I know the RIRs recently don’t like the fact that they are private companies and subject to rule of law, but until all of them become intergovernmental bodies with attached immunity they wanted in their letter to the government, the common law still applies to them. > > APNIC Pty Ltd is an Australian Private Company and I'm not sure what you are talking about when you say "become intergovernmental bodies" because thats not what APNIC is and I know that because I'm a member and the invoice I get is from a private company. > Hence, the solution to this problem is simple: > > > 1. Give the voters complete information > > > 2. Anyone can be a candidate and let the voters decide. > > > 3. We shouldn’t only let a small group of individuals in a dark room decide > who the voters can vote on. > > > There is no need for NRC, all we need is to agree on what personal > information is relevant for each position, so anyone who wants to participate > can publish on their own and be verified by the Secretariat. > > Again, for the last time I would suggest reading the document please. > And let voters decide. > > Voters will decide that ultimately because we are not changing the SIG guidelines OR APNIC bylaws so literally no one is taking that voting rights away . But thanks for highlighting that. Regards, Aftab A. Siddiqui > > With regards. > > > Lu > > > > > > > > > On Thu, 25 Aug 2022 at 08:08, Aftab Siddiqui <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> Hi Everyone, >> >> As you are aware the current nomination process for any community elected >> position is defined where APNIC secretariat sends the call for nomination >> on various forums and once they (secretariat) receives the nominations an >> internal due diligence process is performed and then the names of nominees >> are published with their details. The process ran so far on a need-to-know >> basis and the community had access to information that was deemed essential >> by the Secretariat. In order to build a strong and community driven >> structure it is important to have community oversight in the whole >> process, which at the moment doesn't exist. For that reason we are >> proposing a new committee called "Nomination Review Committee" and we >> believe that it will bring much needed improvements to the process of >> electing members to various community elected positions. >> >> Please review the proposal here >> <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1w0uANFm5j1qCFCxQR_rXlwyGg_4NXme50J-HcZ0QeQM/edit?usp=sharing> >> and provide your feedback through the mailing list. We are also organising >> a BoF >> <https://conference.apnic.net/54/program/schedule/#/day/6/bof---apnic-nominating-committee-nomcom> >> on 14th Sep during APNIC54 to further discuss this in-person/online. >> >> BoF: >> https://conference.apnic.net/54/program/schedule/#/day/6/bof---apnic-nominating-committee-nomcom >> >> Link: >> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1w0uANFm5j1qCFCxQR_rXlwyGg_4NXme50J-HcZ0QeQM/edit?usp=sharing >> >> >> Regards, >> >> Aftab A. 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