>
> Everything is wrong with it. But, that is not the point. My point
> is that if you are happy with that world - you do not need linux. If
> you were happy with the results of proprietary software, you probably
> wouldn't be using linux. And, if you are not happy with that world,
> what is the point of trying to bring the very things that drag down
> that world into this one?
what is with this idea that you can't have a little of both, you *have* to
have 100% open software with an open OS.. could it be that running Oracle
on Linux is better than on NT?
> I would argue that Windows is bad software not because microsoft is
> an unethical company (they are) and not because microsoft engineers
> are somehow more incompetent than those of other companies (I do not
> know that they are or are not) but because they have the wrong
> development model.
it has more to do with the development goals, imho.. the model is bad, but
the goals of their development are often different from what their
customers would prefer..
> I would argue that Linux is good software not because Linux is a
> superhuman genius (he is quite bright though) and not because Linux
> developers are somehow superior mentally to others. (though they
> obviously have much better tastes :) No - it is because Linux is open,
> Linux is free. That is it's strength. Why do we not use our
> strengths to advance Linux instead of importing their weaknesses?
>
because sometimes companies who make proprietary software, and have been
doing it for 10 or 20 years, just know better than us.. sure, they could
open up their software, but companies like oracle have put billions into
developing their software.. maybe down the road an open-source alternative
could surpass theirs, maybe in a year or two they'll contribute to some
open-source SQL server, but for now their product offers the
enterprise-level functionality that some people need.. it also offers
something that businesses need when they run software - someone to blame..
not only to make them feel better when shit goes wrong, but because you
need someone who is responsible to help you out when it screws up.. if I'm
the maintainer of JuSQL and company x is running it, their server goes
down,they call me for help, and I have a headache, they're just screwed
and will have to wait.. Oracle will help them..
>
> > last but definitely not least.. when you surf the web, do you use
> > netscape? point, game, you can't argue with that.. 90-someodd percent of
> > linux users use netscape, its closed source.. don't bring up mozilla
> > because that's BS.. how many of us use mozilla? why is that? it sucks.
>
> I agree. Mozilla has yet to produce - which is exactly why I argued
> recently on this list that Eric Raymond was quite premature in his
> recent speech when he called his open source revolution a success. I
> hope the Mozilla project does end up producing, but it hasn't yet. I
> downloaded M7 today. It still has a a LONG way to go.
>
open-source is a success.. netscape is a major exception which,
unfortunately, was one of the first big names that brought attention to
the movement..
>
> > If you spent a day with RMS you would have to make sure to refer to
> > Linux ALWAYS as GNU/Linux.. Because, and I'm serious, he will
> > basically blow you off if you leave off the GNU.. [...] RMS has
> > done great things but he is a self-absorbed, egotistical asshole..
>
> I suspect you have never talked with him before. While he will not
> back off on his beliefs, he will not blow you off. The only times I
> have seen him blow off someone is when he is debating with someone and
> that other person is not entering into an honest debate and is just
> trying to be argumentative. Other times, he will acknowledge that a
> debate is a lost cause. If the other person is obviously not going to
> change his mind and has not said anything pursuasive to you, what is
> the point of going round and round in circles? I think you are
> operating on heresay rather than personal experience.
>
I haven't spoken with him in person but the president of SATLUG in San
Antonio was blown off by him because he had a button that said ' San
Antonio Texas Linux Users Group' instead of '.. GNU/Linux ..' He was
talking with him, he was polite, then all of a sudden said something like
'I noticed your nametag there says 'Linux' and not 'GNU/Linux' and then
basically turned around and didn't talk to him anymore..
>
> > his time has passed and he is taking credit for linux because Hurd
> > never came around.. if I'm not mistaken its' development has,
> > basically, stopped :)
>
> Nope - still going. Now that I have an extra machine to play with,
> I hope to check it out some time. Has anyone here played with it?
> Any comments?
>
are you sure? last I checked it hadn't been updated for months, maybe I'm
thinking of something else.. RMS has basically adoped Linux as *HIS* GNU
operating system..
go figure..
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