On Sat, Nov 1, 2025 at 8:40 AM Charles Haynes via Silklist < [email protected]> wrote:
> > > On Sat, 1 Nov 2025 at 22:33, Tim Bray <[email protected]> wrote: > >> On Nov 1, 2025 at 7:24:18 AM, Charles Haynes via Silklist < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >>> This is fascinating to me. It's clear that the intent is to treat AI as >>> adversarial and to try to hinder it. What's not as clear to me is why. >>> >> >> Because there is a massive backlash against GenAI among quite a wide >> range of people. A few reasons: >> >> >> - ... >> >> Now, I am perfectly aware that there are counter-arguments for everything >> in that list, and I am not an enemy of the technology as such, but I am >> among those counseling caution, both financial and technical, in leaping >> aboard the train. And a lot of the people in the ranks of promoters are >> people who were promoting NFTs just a few years ago and I want nothing to >> do with them. >> >> I don’t think the license that started the discussion is terribly >> practical. But the sentiment it expresses is widely-held and not entirely >> unfounded. >> > > Certainly I agree there's a lot of anti-AI sentiment, in which case the > rationale would be "AI is bad, mmmkay?" As for those other points, they're > certainly valid but the license isn't what I'd call "fit for purpose." It > doesn't address any of those points. > I agree with both (a) the sentiment that the HOPL (the license in the opening post of this thread) is impractical and likely to be a dud the same way the AGPL was, and (b) that it is a reaction to widespread feeling of loss of agency - which only means this is just "the beginning". I am just amused, maybe even slightly annoyed, that the HOPL folks chose to start with the MIT LIcense - which is as good as it gets ("maximalist") for permissiveness, clarity and simplicity - and slapped on the most "maximal ban" for an entire category of use cases to the extent it possibly cannot even be called an Open Source license for contradicting more than one of the criteria here: https://opensource.org/osd -Karra
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