> The problem is that (by my cursory understanding) he
> isn't being
> prosecuted for lying. He is being prosecuted for
> espousing a
> (admittedly offensive) political position.


http://news.independent.co.uk/europe/article327744.ece

He denies that the holocaust or certain parts of it
occurred.

> 
> One should be held responsible of ones *actions* not
> ones *ideas*.

And if those ideas lead to actions? If I hold racist
ideas justiyfing mass murder and someone acts on these
ideas, am I not responsible? I would feel I am. Isn't
that the whole point of political ideas? Actually,
most extreme right-wing parties in Europe tend to be
rather circumspect about their public statements in
this regard, since they know that anything smacking of
systematic racism will cause substantial financial
drains to their coffers, since someone usually sues
them.

> Prosecute him for lying or for calling other
> historians liars or some
> other *action* for which he is responsible. 

I agree.

Don't
> prosecute him for
> his ideas or opinions or even for expressing them.

Again, it is not an opinion on some historical detail
which is subject to interpretation, however offensive,
which is at issue. Neither are his right-wing views at
issue, although in my opinion, he and his friends are
getting dangerously close to justifying Nazis
policies.

I am afraid that espousing racist ideas in a public
forum is a criminal offense in many countries, since
it is seen as incitement. Again, if we did this on an
individual basis, (incitement to commit a crime) we
would have no qualms about sentencing the accused. Why
do you think that inciting an audience of several
hundred to violence should be exempt?

> 
> Today it's denying the holocaust, tomorrow it's
> supporting Al Quaeda
> and day after tomorrow being liberal will be
> illegal.

I know what you are getting at, but there is little
connection between the three. Yes, there was an
attempt in the UK to make glorification of terrorism
of any kind an offense. It will not survive, at the
very least not in its present form. I hope the
proposal dies. 

And yes, there is a dangerous trend, perceptible in
many North American political blogs to connect the
liberal dot with the Al Quaeda dot and sometimes even
the holocaust dot. It does not mean we should lose our
ability to analyse each case and do justice to the
differences between holocaust denials and liberalism
or rather what some US politicians see as liberalism.

It should be pointed out that supporting mass murder
in any sense is a criminal offense in many countries.
Indeed, the international legal framework making
genocide or its support a punishable offense for which
no immunity can be claimed  dates back to the
Nuremberg trials against Nazi war criminals.

But I digress.

-Frank


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