On Sat, Dec 24, 2005 at 11:50:59PM -0800, A. M. Merritt wrote: > Considering that Google has pledged NOT to be evil, and our present guvmint
Considering that Google amasses subpoenable records how is that not evil? > can make no such claim in its quest to monitor US citizens without a warrant > or knowledge of anyone of any kind and with no outside authority necessary, Circumvention of "no domestic spying" doctrine has been going on for a very long time. That's what Echelon is all about. > I'd have to say yes, the Google AI plex sounds a tiny bit better. I would like to see the mental image behind your concept of an AI. Postbiology suddenly swarming the physical layer is not something I would like to wake up one day (or rather, fail to wake up). > I have had my phone records reviewed by my guvmint without a warrant. It was > in 1993/4. It turns out, if they're not planning on using the outcome > in any court proceedings, they can do whatever they like. My phone > company turned them > over without so much as a squeak, no warrant or clue of any kind, and had the > nerve to get uppity and defensive about it when I tried to confront > them. Fuckers. In Soviet Russia you always knew you couldn't trust the phone. I would expect that an encrypted VOIP line is reasonably secure. > for. I guarantee > that even if they claim they're on your side, they're not. Let your > own attorney > thread the needle for you. Always a good advice, wherever you can afford an attorney. > As an American whose family has been in this country for 350-500+ years, don't > let them deceive you into believing that somehow their tactics are > only applied to > "insurgents" or "terrorists". They do the same thing to everyone. > Believe me, it's > not personal, and it's certainly not new. Many years ago it occured to me that a fully automated state no longer needs its citizens. > By the way, it's come to my attention that certain communications commands > have moved to Getmo. This means that the people whose job it is to monitor > cell phone conversations overseas are no longer in the US, and therefore no > longer under the control of the FCC or any other US federal jurisdiction, > since > Getmo isn't in the US. Theoretically they're not supposed to monitor US local NSA satellites picking up cellular links (those microwave beams don't stop at the next tower but go on as a surface tangent) are most assuredly outside of the U.S. The motto of Echelon always was "we'll spy on yours if you'll spy on ours". > cell phone traffic, but there's nothing stopping them given that they can most > certainly monitor international traffic on the same damned satellites. Our > cell > phone providers lease bandwidth from guvmint satellites. Don't think for one > instant that any conversation you have is private, US based or not. Everybody knew that, I thought. I presume I don't have to plug sites like http://cryptome.org/ http://cartome.org/ and http://eyeball-series.org/ > A great deal of US monitoring trafficking has moved "offshore". Again, it > would > not surprise me if a substantial volume of this has moved to India, under the > guise of some other name. Now that the traffic is reduced to data structure > and bytes, it's not nearly such a big deal to analyze it at leisure. If you can route it, you can analyze it. Fiber is being tapped underwater. Traffic is being sniffed at exchange points (with the current topology, there are not very many exchange points). > Since it's > now known that conversations originating in the US destined for overseas are > monitored "illegally", I count on you all to give our guvmint monitors > something > to entertain their days while they sift for illegal evil stuff. $;^D > Since it's not > outside the law to sift through data siphoned by other governments, there's > probably a secondary market of oursourced data collection, enabled by our > own guvmint that can't necessarily do it themselves legally, making things > happen. This to me is one of the values of the India outsourcing > market - a little > thing we like to call, "Plausible deniability". If you're as pissed off about this as me, I recommend donating to Tor http://tor.eff.org/donate.html.en or otherwise volunteer http://tor.eff.org/volunteer.html.en Another effort is http://i2p.net/ If they want to sniff and keep logs, let them have logs. Lots and lots of logs. They can have 2.6 TByte/month worth of crap from me alone. -- Eugen* Leitl <a href="http://leitl.org";>leitl</a> http://leitl.org ______________________________________________________________ ICBM: 48.07100, 11.36820 http://www.ativel.com 8B29F6BE: 099D 78BA 2FD3 B014 B08A 7779 75B0 2443 8B29 F6BE
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