On Jan 22, 2008 10:40 AM, Suresh Ramasubramanian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> What I love about Japan is its past (Kurosawa movies, just to start with).

What I love about Japan is hard to sum up in a few words, but yes I
love Japanese movie directors (Kurosawa, Miyazaki, Takahata, Inagaki,
Mizoguchi, Imamura) and Japanese food, but really I think what I love
about Japan is the pervasive aesthetic sense. The aesthetic of
simplcity, the natural, and the beauty of imperfection and ordinary
objects that I think comes primarily from Zen (to the degree that I am
religious at all - which is not very - I consider myself a Zen
Buddhist, at least this week.)

> > the best Pakistani-style food (Shalimar)

> [Jones and O'Farrell] are just on the border between "nice" and "not nice"

Well mostly they were appalled at my preference for walking down Jones
to market after leaving Shalimar stepping over the winos and junkies
and politely declining the offers of the working girls and boys.

> > I walked home from work down the length of Infantry Road at 2am

> you had better hope that you are very well
> acquainted with the various packs of stray dogs in the area

Exactly! That was what I noticed most. All the cute dogs that had been
sleeping lazily all day were up, alert, and sizing me up - and there
were a LOT of them out. I also wasn't thrilled by the fact that the
few cars that WERE out showed a disconcerting tendency to slow down
and check me out before driving on. I felt like everything that was up
and about was trying to decide if I was prey or not. On the other
hand, I grew up in and near the barrio so maybe some of that attitude
still shows. It certainly is responsible for the fact that I feel
completely at home in even the "worst" parts of the Mission. I also
ran into two cops walking the other way down Infantry Road and didn't
really know what to expect. I was more wary of them than I was of the
dogs, but they looked kind of alert when they first saw me then waved
me past, maybe when they saw I was a foreigner.

> I would rate India as very similar to China and Japan on most gender issues.

I think that's about right. I was going to say I thought Japan had a
better track record, and cite successful businesswomen, and the
ability of women to work outside the home, but really it's not any
different from India. Similarly women face a definite "glass ceiling."

> Gays / transsexuals etc? Well, yes there's a more than horrible track
> record, especially if you are poor.  If you're rich and gay, well..
> http://www.rediff.com/style/may/07sylvie.htm

But even that article illustrates the issues:

    In our times, if Sylvester wants to be known as 'she' and
    introduced as 'Sylvie', so be it.

    "I don't label myself as gay, homosexual, transvestite or
    a woman. I just say I'm Sylvie and I'm there." Comfortable
    with his sexuality, Sylvie does not mince words. To avoid
    a confusing clash of genders and facilitate a comfortable
    rapport, I consciously omit references of 'he' or 'she' and
    dutifully stick to 'Sylvie'.

Notice the writer is aware that Sylvie wants to be known as and
referred to as "she" and yet refers to her as "he" in the article
making it clear that it was only to facilitate a comfortable rapport
that "I consciously omit references to 'he' and 'she'."  There is no
acceptance of Sylvie, nor of her preferences even in the article you
cite as evidence that you can be rich and gay in India. I find it a
disquieting and a continual source of unease for me here. People I
otherwise respect come out with the most blatant homophobic attitudes
and no one around seems to bat an eye. I forget for a while then
something happens to rub my nose in it. Like a friend of a friend
mentioning that a good friend of his came out to his parents and was
killed by his father for it. I don't think I could ever be completely
at ease here due in large part to things like that, and couples being
hunted down and killed by a father because the daughter married a
Christian boy against her parent's wishes.

Not to end on too depressing a note:

On Jan 22, 2008 10:43 AM, Venkat Mangudi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I miss Shalimar food... Although there are quite a few Shalimars in the
> Bay area, Jones & Farrell is the best IMO.

I agree, though the one on Post isn't too bad. A little too neat and
clean for my taste. :)

> What has been your experience with Yank Sing ( the dim sum place near
> Market St, next to the WF bldg)?

It's reliable, can accomodate large parties, is high quality, and
expensive. We used to go there regularly for a "treat" or to take out
of town visitors for a dim-sum experience that was guaranteed to
please. I'm a huge fan of their Peking duck, and I love all the tripe
dishes, the jellyfish, and some of their other more exotic offerings.
We usually would go to Yank Sing in the Rincon Center near embarcadero
(it's bigger) but the little one just off Market near the WF building
is nice, cozier. We used to sometimes go to Harbor Village in
Embarcadero Center. Even fancier, even more expensive, even better dim
sum. We also go to Hong Kong Flower Lounge down in Millbrae for really
authentic dim sum (but go early or be prepared to wait for hours) and
if we want something cheaper in the city but still good we go to
Canton (655 Folsom St).

But for real dim sum we would go to Gold Mountain. On my next visit to
the Bay Area though I'm for sure going to Little Sichuan in San Mateo
and having their "water cooked pork" I think they call it on the menu.
I love how unappetizing some chinese dishes sound when translated in
to english. :) I you didn't know what they were, you'd never order
them.

All of these places are better if you go with someone who speaks chinese. :)

-- Charles

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