On Tue, 2008-08-19 at 09:12 +0530, ss wrote: 
> The other principle that India the modern nation state is that diverse people 
> of many religions and faiths - and this includes Islam CAN live together in 
> one country. The Indian constitution, and the ethos of India the nation state 
> does not allow Islam to opt out and indeed the majority of Indian Muslims do 
> not want that either. The one opportunity for those who wanted out came in 

while this is a much cited reason to keep kashmir part of india, it's an
odd argument. 4 million kashmiri muslims make little difference one way
or another to india's religious composition, compared to the 150 million
or so muslims in the rest of the country.

> Indians are such a meek people that they will boldly shout in support of 
> extremists and not even squeak about the fact of ethnic cleansing of Hindus 
> from Kashmir. And now some separatists in an ethnically cleaned Kashmir  want 
> freedom. I refuse to accept that, in the light of what is happening in 

lots of people talk about "some separatists", tiny minority etc. isn't
the appropriate way to find out how much support there is independence
or whatever among certain people to poll them? of course, including the
"ethnically cleansed" hindus, who as i noted earlier have their claims
to kashmir much better documented than refugees from many other places.

geeking out on military maps and geopolitical strategy is a (fun)
distraction from the basic question of what people want for themselves.

-rishab


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