How does one roast green beans?
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Adit.

On 12/13/10, Charles Haynes <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 5:14 PM, Aditya Kapil <[email protected]> wrote:
>> On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 10:53 AM, Suresh Ramasubramanian
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> The issue is getting those "any other kind of beans" - which is why I
>>> always come back with a pound of beans whenever I travel.  Good stuff
>>> like blue mountain etc if I'm feeling flush, if not at least Peets,
>>> Seattle's Best type above average coffee chains.
>> Yes, I think this is important. It's beginning to look like variety will
>> only come from travel. I travel quite a bit to SF, Philly, London and
>> Basel.
>>  Let me know of stores where I can pick up beans that are less than 'two
>> weeks old' and varieties that are your favorites (describing, if you have
>> the time, what you like about them). The problem is that I don't think
>> I've
>> had enough good stuff to be able to describe what I like. Strong aroma is
>> important, but not necessarily too much bitterness... is that a paradox?
>
> Ok, I am a dyed in the wool, full-on, coffee... "connoisseur."
>
> I've roasted my own green coffee for the last 10 years, started with
> 100 gm in a hot air popcorn popper, and using all sorts of roasters
> including a $700+ programmable countertop roaster.
>
> I've brewed "pour over" drip filter, french press, moka pot, automatic
> drip, percolator, over a campfire with eggshells, aero press, cold
> extracted, vietnamese drip, thai drip, and yes south indian filter
> coffee. I currently prefer two triple ristretto macchiatos each
> morning for breakfast.
>
> I've tried beans from all over, South and Central American, African,
> South Pacific Islands, and yes, Asian including India. The single
> biggest determinant of coffee quality is how fresh it is. I'm a big
> fan of South Pacific Island coffees, and not such a fan of South
> American coffees, but I'll take a freshly roasted generic Colombian
> over a month old Sulawesi anytime.
>
> Suresh's quote is exactly right.
>
> First: do not use pre-ground coffee. Not ever. Not for any reason. Yes
> I'm serious and no I'm not kidding. I don't care if it's Illy vacuum
> packed espresso. Do not ever buy coffee powder. Just switching to
> grinding your own coffee will improve your quality more than anything
> else you can do. Do this one thing before anything else. Nothing else
> matters until you do this. I would drink coffee boiled over a campfire
> made from freshly ground beans over the fanciest high tech espresso
> made with pre-ground coffee (and that includes any kind of coffee
> pod.)
>
> Second: use fresh coffee. If it's more than a week or two old it
> doesn't matter where it came from. I'd rather have a recently roasted
> generic Brazilian over a month old "Blue Mountain." Coffee goes stale
> quickly. Vacuum packing hurts rather than helps, because freshly
> roasted coffee generates CO2. In order to vacuum pack it they have to
> wait for the off gassing to stop at which point the coffee is stale.
> If you can't get freshly roasted coffee I suggest you roast it
> yourself. If you can't roast it yourself, try to get as fresh as you
> can.
>
> Third: use a decent grinder. If you're going to spend money, spend it
> on a reasonable burr grinder. Baratza makes some reasonably priced
> ones, or the Sunbeam EM0480/EM0450 is a decent home grinder for under
> US$200. (I've got a spare EM0480 if someone wants it. I'll sell it to
> you for $50+s/h. I'm in Australia...)
>
> After this it quickly becomes a matter of taste. With freshly roasted
> beans, a decent grinder, and a $20 french press I can be very happy.
>
> So the next questions are about what styles of coffee you like, what
> kinds of roasts you like, and what you like in a coffee bean. Since
> it's all so subjective, I'll subject you to my personal coffee
> preferences.
>
> I prefer low-acid robust dry-processed coffees. Low acid inclines me
> towards Yemen, Ethiopia, and Indonesia. Similarly for "robust"
> coffees. I like a big chocolatey coffee - I'm not into subtle fruity
> and winey flavors I like being hit over the head. That said I like the
> wild funky complexities of dry processed coffees, so I end up with
> Yemens, Ethiopian Yirgacheff and Nekisse, and some Celebes (Sulawesi)
> coffees. I prefer a slightly darker roast, so I tend to go to a city
> roast, or full city with the Yemeni coffees.
>
> I buy beans green and roast at home in my oven. I've also successfully
> roasted in a wok over the stove or in a BBQ. You don't need fancy
> expensive equipment to roast at home.
>
> I grind using a Mazzer "Mini" grinder, which allows me to both grind
> finely enough for espresso, and adjust the grind in a continuous range
> rather than in "steps." It uses dual grinding plates and is slow
> enough to keep the grounds cool during grinding (though some people
> like to cool the grinder.)
>
> I brew using an Expobar "Minore" dual-boiler espresso machine with an
> E61 group head and electronic temperature controls. I use a
> "bottomless" portafilter to check my tamp. This setup allows for
> varying the brew temperature and pressure depending on the bean,
> roast, and grind.
>
> Anyway, that just indicates that I'm a fanatic, which was already
> obvious. That said, I'm quite happy drinking coffee from a french
> press, a pour over filter, a siphon, vietnamese cafe sua da, or south
> indian filter coffee. I love coffee. If you want good coffee, buy
> freshly roasted beans (or roast them yourself), grind them yourself,
> prepare them the way you like and be happy.
>
> One last rantlet. Buying "fancy" brand pre-roasted beans is a ripoff.
> I don't care if it's kopi luwak, Jamaican Blue Mountain, or some other
> name brand. If you buy it roasted and bring it home it will be stale.
> I don't bother bringing home Blue Bottle from San Francisco because by
> the time I get to it, it will be stale.
>
> If, for some reason, you can't get good fresh locally roasted beans
> and you have access to a freezer, it is possible to keep roasted
> coffee fresher in a freezer. It is a last resort! Freeze in separate
> air-tight containers in quantities you will use in a week or less, and
> take out no more than a week's worth at a time.
>
> But really - buy or roast fresh, always grind fresh and be happy!
>
> -- Charles (drinking home roasted Yemen Ismaili)
>
>

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