> Oh sure, the US is just the biggest manipulator by far with more than
> likely the longest history of doing so. Minor irony then that they
> still pressurize China as if it were the only one doing it.
> http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/16/business/global/appreciation-in-chinas-currency-goes-largely-unnoted.html
>
> The falling USD has put a lot of inflationary pressure on China, and
> it's something China has to take mostly lying down for the moment.

It doesn't. The falling USD will, at best, decrease the price of oil
priced in renminbi, which will be a deflator, same for all imports. A
rising local currency can only slow down growth for an export led
economy, and will almost definitely not increase inflation.

Why it does increase inflation is if China attempts to buy all that
USD that people are throwing at it in the form of FDI and stock market
investments, and issue renminbi, which increases the money supply and
thus causes inflation. (this is a major cause of the inflation India
is seeing today - the stupidity of the mid 00s)

> A strong Euro and a weak dollar will see America's economic dominance
> into the next decade - or at least that's the driving belief behind
> all this. The Fed's emergency line of credit to the ECB is show that
> everything that can be done, will be done to make sure the Euro stays.
> When it's all invented money anyway, it's just a matter of loosening
> the right economic screws to restore confidence.

This digresses from the discussion but the fed's emergency line is
pretty standard in crises, and it is a dollar-euro swap, the only
reason for which is this: Euro banks lend to companies all over the
world in - hold your breath - dollars. That might sound silly but even
european companies have borrowed in dollars (as have many Indian
companies, from European banks). The swap line is to maintain the
dollars required to carry these loans ahead, that's all. In essence,
it will allow a Euro bank to pay in euros and get dollars through the
ECB if it really really needs it.

> As a social net the concept is undoubtedly good. As far as
> implementation goes, I have only heard mixed reports. There is
> evidence that NREGA is reducing deaths due to poverty - in many parts
> of India untouched by the economic miracle NREGA is the only source of
> income which doesn't depend on the local landed and wealthy. It's a
> source of calories if you will.

I think this might entail an entirely new discussion but it is
important to balance such goals with the fact that we are creating
moral hazard and laziness of gargantuan proportions, which is even
worse than say an export subsidy. (Oil subsidies I would rate at the
same bad-ass level as NREGA). NREGA is a purely political ploy, and
has only economic and human negatives, from corruption at one end, to
no-productivity at the other. The feel good factor only lasts a little
bit - and has already worn out as people have realized that you can't
stop this SOB no matter what you do now. Also it stupidly didn't come
with an end date (I think that is required of everything including
reservation)

While NREGA has seen some people come out of poverty, it is a wasted
effort because as we go we'll see prices move so that those very
people go back to being classified as poor. Instead, the focus on
increasing productivity with the same money would have helped us get a
lot more out of the system - like building roads, which you can't do
under NREGA because it requires a levelling machine at the very least.

>> Real wages aren't falling in India at all, no matter how you look? Our
>> per capita income is up, our wages in general are up and afaik, more
>> than inflation.  Do you have a source I can look at?
>
> At the macro economic level you maybe right - the economic dashboard
> numbers are all trended upwards. There are new income opportunities
> where there were none, GDP/PPP indicators are all higher now than they
> were a couple of decades ago. However it just means that gains in
> certain sectors are masking massive failures in others - the real
> wages epidemic is somewhat unnoticed because it has just not fallen at
> the same rate as the US/EU/JAPAC - so it is less visible.

It's a very tiny percentage of population that has seen a wage
decrease. In any given year, you will find that 25% of people will lag
the growth that others see, that's the nature of the game of life, it
is never ever (and not designed to be) consistently distributed.
>
> (BTW, I am not denying the genuine economic progress that has happened
> in some places, there are definite improvements in specific industry
> segments and social pockets, but so too there are other sections of
> society that have been adversely affected by inflation and
> urbanization.)

> If you are a bank employee at a nationalized bank, or a government
> employee or otherwise salary scale bound you will find that real wages
> haven't kept up. You can no longer buy a flat within central parts of
> any major or even minor Indian city on a government salary, or enough
> gold for an Indian wedding. Land and gold prices are important because
> they are true sources of wealth - they will persist even when the cash
> economy fades in importance or undergoes a crisis of confidence.

I disagree. Both gold and land prices are traded and are susceptible
to speculative mania and bubbles. They have happened forever. Gold is
slightly better than land, but it is still the same thing. I have been
dealing with (honest) government servants recently and they have been
able to afford decent housing. Teachers in govt schools get paid 2x
what the equivalent in private schools is and at the lower levels the
wages are very good now. (It's at the higher levels that salaries
don't go up quite as much)

If anything, the way to bring land prices down is: repeal land control
acts, remove the tax deductions for housing (that is, that you can
park capital gains in housing and not pay tax, and that you can get
deductions for principal repayments), remove the concept of "priority
sector" for housing specifically, create a zoning structure that is
transparent and build roads. If you do that, house prices will not
just moderatt, people will move out of their stuffed cities as well

> I should have expanded on the McAloo Tikki comment, it was more a
> sociological statement than an economic one - urban population
> density, urban poverty, urban environmental devastation, rural
> population flight, farmer suicides, divorce rates, nuclear families
> are all staggeringly higher now than they were in the 80s, and 90s.
>
> That is not very good progress is it?

Farmer suicides are far less important, statistically, than that of
housewives. Even for economic reasons, suicide by other categories as
a percentage of their population is far more significant - but we love
farmers and P Sainath so we give them front page stories. As a
percentage of population suicide rates have come down. Rural
population flight is because of horrendous land laws that don't allow
industry in (who said we should be an agri economy!). Urban population
density is higher for similar reasons. Divorce rates are a good thing
because according to me, India had way too many bad marriages (we were
at the other end of the scale) - the maximum number of divorces today
are mutual IIRC. Nuclear families are awesome - and a sign of progress
and freedom.

We have a truckload of stuff to do, but I wouldn't go the socialistic
way. I also think the McAloo tikki statement has the weird irony to it
that it's now cheaper than much of the street food we see.

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