On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 01:26:20PM +0100, Alaric Snell-Pym wrote:

> >1. Sousveillance [1] is one of the best hopes of not falling into
> >dystopia. Big Brother is scary only until the point that everyone starts
> >looking back.
> 
> Sousveillance interests me, too. For a start, it offers some obvious
> defences against abuse of power against you; but it has secondary
> effects, too - the presence of widespread sousveillance reduces the
> argument for needing centralised surveillance. "What good are all these
> surveillance systems in preventing crime, when the victims of crime will
> have their own sousveillance?".

This is a complete fantasy. Try trespassing on a sigint facility
someday, and see what that gets you. 

Try putting a splice into a cable landing site, on your own
budget (what? you can't afford a submarine?).
 
> I think that darknets and the like will solve parts of the problem, but
> the biggest part by far is this trend to centralise around big services.

There's your biggest problem: don't mind the skills, the surveillance
targets don't even have a drive towards observing back.

> There's an entrepreneurial mindset around creating new Internet services
> by hiring a bunch of servers and a bunch of developers and getting them
> to write code that runs on your servers, and funding it via advertising
> or premium services. However, this creates a wonderful central point for
> monitoring and surveillance.

This is what the Freedombox project (no, it's not dead) is designed
to protect against.
 
> Back in the Day, new Internet services were created by writing
> open-source software for a daemon that people could run on their big
> shared Unix boxes or, later, that your ISP would run for you as part of

The big shared Unix box costs about 100 USD these days, and takes
maybe 5 W.

> a suite of "expected services", and those daemons would collaborate in a
> peer-to-peer fashion to create the service. IRC, Usenet, email, finger,
> etc. Of course, things like IRC and Usenet, being broadcast media, are
> still prone to snooping; but people can also create private IRC/Usenet
> networks if they want a bit more privacy. Email lingers on due to
> ubiquity, and is rather snoopable partly due to centralisation at places
> like gmail, and partly just due to not having had privacy as a priority
> when the protocol was designed, but it needn't be so.

Pity that about email, but we've got half a dozen of new protocols
that don't have the problems of legacy ones.
 
> The thing is, the Centralised Service Model drives progress because
> investors will pour money into it. Can the federated model pick up due
> to sufficient interested volunteers, or can it be monetized somehow?
> Diaspora and Status.net aren't exactly taking the world by storm. What

Friends don't let friends use social networks.

> can we do to fix this?

Very little (social networks and privacy are mutually exclusive,
regardless of where they're hosted).
 
> Decentralised encrypt-everything-by-default Internet services could go a
> long way to putting the brakes on the ubiquitous surveillance state (as
> well as many other benefits).

Amen, brother. But here you need >1 GBit/s throughput though your
wireless LoS mesh, and an occasional dark fiber. 

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