Greetings to the list, and Hi Mary,
At 09:40 AM 12/17/97 -0700, you wrote: >Hi Margaret: >I use a Beck-directed machine, as well. I make a quart at a time. Please >read Peter Lindemann's article at http://www.elixa.com/silver/lindmn.htm >/ this has some good information in it [whatever the controversy concerning >its content]. For the Record: I have retracted my comments regarding the Lindeman site. It was "a case of mistaken identity". If anyone else has not heard the retraction, please hear it now. The info on Lindeman's site seems to be solid at this point. The confusion was with the Marx site....once again...MY ERROR! Sorry for confusing the issue. Hopefully it will be all straightened out soon. :) >I use distilled water and boil it in a glass Visions pot. I >use a quart Mason jar with wide mouth and hang my rods from a hook above the >jar into the boiled water. I make sure the rods are not touching the glass. >I turn the machine on and leave it for 20-30 minutes. This consistently >makes a slightly amber colored cs. I have never had the ppm tested, but I >understand, and dowse it to be between 7 and 10 in the manner that I make it. There is a lot of room for variation with this method. You won't get consistent ppm without more strict standardization. Distance between the electrodes, depth of the electrodes in the water, water temp, distilled water ONLY, maintaining the water level, duration of the generating period, etc. Or you could make a large batch and have several gallons tested at one time. That way you don't have to standardize anything. :) Tests only run around 20 dollars. BTW....what is a "dowse"? You aren't dowsing your silver? Like with a forked stick? > >Just for you, and this list to know, I have had a very clear reaction to >colloidal silver. I have been making and using it for a year now. At first >I was taking quite a lot--8 oz./day maybe, and it was the milky type, and I >used a saline solution in the water, and it was tap water. Not a good pure solution. The "salts/impurities in tap water "could have taken a while to build up in your system and then a reaction occurred "suddenly" when you got to a certain level of accumulation. At this point it is all pretty theoretical. I don't know how >long after I started using it this happened, but I became emotionally >volatile--willing to snap or be harsh at people, especially at work. I am >not ususally this way, and I didn't know what was up. This is most uncharicteristic of your sweet and nice personality! People must have been shocked? Just goes to show it can happen to the best of us. If a person is not getting enough pure water, the system can become toxic if things are not being eliminated fast enough. When we come in contact with viral/bacterial/fungal elements attacking our bodies, we are seldom aware of their presence in the initial stages. It could have been "die off". I know, it is "theoretical" at this point. :) The irritability you mention is something that is common in detox reactions as well. I am sure you will agree. Hard telling how many potential infections we kill off prior to their taking hold by using colloidal silver solutions. Those people who have real wisdom have a diet that keeps accumulations of junk to a minimum, and a regular schedule of cleansing their internal organs that is similar to a schedule for maintaining a car! The oil change is scheduled for a certain mileage (the filter goes with it of course), then there is the overhaul of the engine at 200K, there are the tire rotations, etc. We get so busy we forget we are more important than our cars. :) I am working at developing this sort of approach...have'nt quite gotten there yet though. :) I think it is a judgment call as to whether it is the silver giving the reaction, or a die off reaction causing toxicity. Since there is no documentation of toxicity due to a colloidal solution of our type, it appears to be "die off". And I think there are other reasons to believe this too. Please bear with me. Testing "healthy" people sounds like a valid comparison. However, were these folks tested for a variety of parasites? Were they put through a battery of blood tests to determine if there were any organisms in their blood? What about a test for yeast, and other factors? The standards for the classification of "healthy" allow for a certain degree of "normal" (sub-clinical) conditions. Everyone has organisms living in the blood and the body that are killed off by circulation of colloidal silver. Just talk with technicians who are familiar with blood testing. Beck tells of one such person who, after seeing the blood of a person using his device was totally amazed at the ABSENSE of these organisms in the blood samples. He remarked how TOTALLY UNHEARD OF THIS WAS. Parasites, just for one, run in cycles in our bodies. They are not always vulnerable to the effects of the CS. When they go through the egg stage/single cell stage they are killed off. This is an irregular sort of thing and can give us a "bad day" from time to time. Detoxifying the bowel quickly, can eliminate this kind of "reaction to toxicity", and stop it in it's tracks. Lymphatic exercise, hydro/temp. therapies, detox herbs, etc., can also help tremendously. Has anyone ever seen a ladybug walking on a table/counter or such and reached down to pick it up to remove it. What happens? As soon as it senses pressure/a threat it will SPRAY a yellow-orange liquid all over it's surroundings. It is amazing how much comes out from these little creatures!! This is similar to the "die off" reaction on a cellular level. The videos distributed by Dr.James Bare of the Rife List, show these little organisms "popping" and the material within them being dispersed in the body fluids/blood of the host (us). Die off is a major factor in the use of the Rife/Bare devices. It has to be monitored carefully and can become life-threatening. If we take the silver solutions at a steady dose and on a regular basis, then suddenly there is a "reaction to the silver", is it the silver? Why is there not damage done to us? No permanent effects of poisoning?? If we take cyanide, arsenic, iodine, lead, mercury, we will have a "reaction to the ___________", no? It will be a lasting NEGATIVE, from which some of us will not recover. Correct? With silver colloid , these negatives pass and we are back to normal. Taking steps to aid the body in a detox effort will speed this up tremendously. I have had this type of reaction several times, and each time it has been connected to taking a powerful dose of colloidal silver (also usually "fresh" when the particles have the greatest electrical charge). The electrical charge and it's potency are what causes the "brownian movement" of the tiny colloidal particles. This is strongest when the solution is "fresh". It also makes the particles much more effective in their antibiotic/antiseptic abilities. This would make the solution much more powerful. Without taking this into consideration one could easily "OD", if you will, and cause a significant "die off" reaction. A herx/detox reaction. I think this may be what happened to you Mary, you made a very potent batch, perhaps stronger than you expected. The "fresh" electrical potency made the solution much more potent, even though the particle size and ppm may have been identical (but may not have been too). Does anyone recall the research done in this area. There was a book that went into a study of this theory of particle charge in relation to antibiotic/antiseptic effect. Someone may remember this. I am thinking it was a Japanese study, or was it Israeli? In any case, it is good to remember that the "fresh" solutions will be much more potent than the older ones. Has anyone else had this experience with the "fresh" solutions? I had this same kind of reaction about ten days ago. I had not had any silver in a while, my health was fine but I had a little twinge in the sinus and nasopharnyx region. Having a batch of AC generated silver on the counter, clear, almost tasteless, "fresh" (a couple of days old and generated with 110 VAC...very strongly charged particles!). In a hurry , and not giving respect to the solution as I should have (and without knowing it's concentration) I quickly swallowed about 4-6 ounces without any thought to any adverse reaction that might result. Shortly thereafter, my mind started racing and a raging effect swept through the emotions. It was on me so fast I did not realize what was happening till it was almost over. It started out as an energetic feeling then it began to turn negative, a clearly toxic reaction. It continued for several hours. This is not good, and not a fun time either. I started a bowel cleansing immediately with a product called COLOZONE, and by morning things were dramatically improved. Within another day, everything was coming up roses. One more day and I was almost ready to look for my highschool football gear. :) Yes, I had become totally out of touch with reality. :) I assume Mary, that you had to make some apologies when it passed. I too. Mary is very right in warning the list about the potential reaction to using colloidal silver solutions. Though we disagree on the cause of the reaction, the reaction is still a very real possibility. If you find yourself in one of these, drink a lot of water, and an emergency colonic would probably work wonders. I would think taking a large dose of antioxidants, like Vitamin C (4,ooo mgs and 1000 mgs every hour till it passes) . How is this sounding? OK? Any additional ideas on how to handle a toxic reaction like this? It is also a good idea to excuse onself and go to bed before you are caught on camera with your jaws affixed to someone's lower leg. :) If anyone asks, please , for the benefit of the doubt, tell them it is a herx reaction! They won't know what that is, probably, and that will buy you some time to make up a good story. :) Anything but..."it is that nasty old poisonous-gray-skin-making-colloidal-silver"!:) Please? Until we get the documentation, why not give the good old silver-water the benefit of the doubt? :) One way to avoid these reactions is by taking CS with a meal and beginning the treatment with small doses, gradually increasing is the best way to go. Knowing the potency of your solutions, will enable us to be consistent in these things, so we don't just suddenly find ourselves having a bad day due to what appears to be a "reaction to the silver". PPM and Particle size are two other factors that influence potency, as well. >From the studies of prominent physicians, we can reasonably assume that there is not likely a single person in the entire country that is totally devoid of parasitic organisms of some kind living within his body. A fluctuation of the amount of silver (taking more concentrated solutions, greater quantity of the same ppm, "fresh" solutions, etc) by a method of taking it that brings a greater absorbtion (on an empty stomach,after a fast) or other factors we may know nothing about, could easily throw more into the system and cause a greater rate of "die off", as well. Being consistent gets more consistent results. With pure solutions, and moderate concentrations, it is not like a rollercoaster ride. Why not standardize our method of use, just as we should standardize our method of manufacturing? If we are using moderate/low concentrations, we have already identified, we can do this daily and maintain a healthy supplemental basis for this method. There is an RDA for silver, just like chromium, iron, vanadium, cobalt, manganese, etc. (it is doubtlessly low by the way). >Eventually I slacked >off on using the cs, and began just swishing it in my mouth and spitting it >out, as well as using it on my skin. These symptoms abated, and disappeared >altogether. > Ok, after a lag in your use...then the introduction of a "fresh" solution of assumed potency. There is also the matter of what was going on in your body at the time to make you decide to drink 2 ounces after having abstained for some time. Did you have any symptoms of oncoming illness? >It was about 2 months ago that I made a fresh batch of cs in the method >mentioned above. I drank about 2 ounces of this stuff. I went to >work--something came up, and I felt a raging inside. It was a clear reaction >to me--a direct homeopathic "proving." > You overdosed. It was after a layoff from silver, the organisms in your body had rebuilt their populations, then you hit them with a stout solution of fresh CS and knocked the stuffings out of them! They sprayed you good and you had a "die off" reaction. It is a lot like mainlining toxic waste. :) I know, it is "theoretical", but plausable, and consistent with what we know about these solutions, and the studies on parasites present today in our communities. >If you have the opportunity, take a look at a homeopathic Materia Medica. >Look for argentum; read the symptoms listed. These are symptoms written down >by healthy people who had taken the substance -- called a "proving." Healthy people who had organisms in their bodies that died off. On a microscopic level the blood of a "healthy person" looks like a horror show, all kinds of monsterous little creatures. When these are killed, they eject their body wastes in an abrupt fashion in a convulsive/defensive reaction. >This >gives you the very best picture of what taking silver, or exposure to silver >CAN do in the person that doesn't need it, or doesn't need the quantity that >they're getting. Maybe not. >Homeopathy works like this: Like cures like. >Administration of a substance to a healthy person that creates a certain set >of symptoms will CURE the person that has those similar symptoms. > If this holds true in this case, then: in someone who is highly irritable, and snapping at other people, we should give them plenty of fresh/concentrated colloidal silver. Like cures like. This does'nt seem to add up in this case. (Though it may work in others, it is a hypothesis, not an absolute.) The body fluids of dying organisme are a powerful toxin, researchers on the Rife list that have dealt with this subject can attest to this. I rest my case. :) >At any rate--good luck. I think colloidal silver is a wonderful thing, and I >am glad we live in a time when we can have good healing substances available >to us with just a little effort. > Total agreement! >Mary Johnson, DIHom / Kalispell, Montana USA / [email protected] > God Bless, and thanks for sharing Mary! (Please don't take any of this debate personally! It is strictly a matter of scientific discussion.) Scott John 3:16 "For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth on Him should not perish , but have everlasting life."
