Marie wrote:

> << are you using salt to make the cs? >>
> 
> Yes, my directions say to use one drop of saline salution for
> every 2 ozs.  I thought the salt was there to increase the
> electrical current.  If I delete the salt, how long should I then
> process  to get 5 ppm?  10 ppm?  

Hi Marie, Mike D. here...

I think Dennis' other question is most crucial here, then. The white 
whisps of silver particles from the (+) electrode are starting right 
away, yes? So I guess you're timing pretty much from the moment you 
put the electrodes in the water.

Do the Silver Solutions instructions give you an approximate ppm per 
minute? Most of the recipes assume about 1 ppm per minute. I don't 
know if they all really *know* this, but it's probably good for up to 
a few ppm. <grin>

Now the real question... What was the claimed ppm of the MLM product 
that you were using successfully before? You will need to adjust how 
much you take for the likely ppm of your new CS.

If you use the low-voltage, with-salt, method, you'll probably get
bigger particles than with the no-salt method, your solutions will
not store as long, and it *may* not be as safe. But people *have* had
fine results without complications that we've heard of.

Silver chloride isn't the most serious consideration at the
concentration involved, Once the chloride gets used up, the rest is
just silver. The particle size question is the biggie with salt. 

On the other hand, the no-salt method yields longer lived solutions
that are also effective. It takes a lot longer. You might wait a half
hour or more just to see the first wisps of silver coming off. Then
you'll want to run for 20-30 minutes more just to get a few ppm. If
you make your next batch with 1/4 of the previous batch as "starter"
you won't have to wait as long for it to start.

In addition to taking longer, a problem with this method is that some
of the silver clumps up on the (-) electrode and has to be wiped off
periodically to keep it from getting into the CS, especially if you 
try to make fairly high concentrations.

The jury is out on salt vs. no salt. Both seem to work, and neither 
has (yet) hurt anybody that we know of. (Dennis is correct that a lot 
of the experts have moved away from salt, but nobody has bothered to 
publish the *data* they use to support this. If this has changed, I'd 
like to hear about it!)

Some CS producers claim really high concentrations, like 100 ppm or
above, that we just wouldn't be able to get with our low voltage
rigs. But the low concentration products seem to work just as well
if you use the right amount. I've never seen an explaination for how
they achieve such high concentrations, or why they're necessary. 

Tell us what you were using and we'll see if you need to use more of 
your homebrew to equal the dose.

Be well,

Mike

[Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian]
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[Speaking only for myself...              ]


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