Ivan, Thanks for taking the time to help me with my understanding of these issues. Your knowledge is valuable.
I have read that definition and similar ones. My lack of understanding, at present---pivots on the mechanism of the charge origin. Please understand too, that I am way over my head with all of this stuff, but am not afraid to ask questions revealing some fundamental ignorance if it may lead to my greater understanding. The work of David Hudson---the monoatomic gold researcher---contained a lot of material about the differences between even small clusters of gold and single atoms of gold. The entire shape of the atom changes due to relationships between the strong and weak nuclear forces...I do not recall the details. It goes from more or less spherical, to more of a bowling pin configuration. My questions are: does one atom only of the Ag cluster loose an electron? Or is there a net effect on the cluster from the interaction with the surrounding water components? But charge is quantatized isn't it? Further, if it is the result of the loss of a single electron, where is that electron? I am not so much concerned with the definition of an ion, as with the origin of the charge, and I use the term "charged colloidal particle" to discriminate between a cluster of Ag and a single Ag atom which is missing one electron in the outer shell. I agree with you that a single Ag + atom in water is a silver ion, that the definition includes molecules. I am certainly not trying to redefine "ion". But there may be a need to discriminate between types of ions of the same element, if their behavior and charge origin is different. This has probably already been done, and I am simply unaware of it. We know that silver salts, which are generally strongly ionized, produce silver ions that are more reactive in the body chemistry than clusters of ionized silver. Do you agree? If so, why? Does it have to do with the forces binding the Ag group together? Are these stronger than the forces involved in the capture of an electron by the silver cluster. If one silver ion captures an electron from another element, does the whole clump become bound into a molecule, or does that silver atom come free from the cluster? Or, as it seems from the lack of deposition of silver compounds in tissues from CS, no reaction occurs. If there is a valence charge on the cluster, then it comes from only one atom---correct me if I am wrong. The cluster cannot have lost more than one electron without having a higher positive charge. Perhaps that is the case. Your experience comparing the ISE with AAS is very puzzling. Bruce Marx, goes out of his way to demonstrate that his "positively charged colloid" contains virtually no "ionic" silver. I am confused. Am I communicating my question(s) clearly? Thanks for your correspondence. Later, James Osbourne, Holmes [email protected] -----Original Message----- From: Ivan Anderson [SMTP:[email protected]] Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 1999 5:02 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: CS Electrochemistry - exactly what is CS? James, Great post. Pitty Peter will not be able to answer your questions. Part of your reply was as follows: >JOH: One of my greatest areas of interest is the difference between >"ionic" silver, which I currently define as monoatomic "disssolved" silver >exhibiting the valence charge of silver, and nonionic silver in small >clusters each of which has a single positive charge not directly, at least, >related to the valence of the individual atoms. An admirable attempt to rewrite the definition of the term 'ion' and 'ionic', but I'm not buying it ;-) From the AP Dictionary of Science and Technology: ion Chemistry . an atom, radical, or molecule that has gained or lost one or more electrons and thus acquired a net negative or positive charge. In electrolysis, positive ions (cations) travel to the cathode, while negative ions (anions) travel to the anode. (Coined by Michael Faraday, from a Greek form meaning "going.") The correct term for what you call 'monoatomic "dissolved" silver exhibiting the valence charge of silver', is the monoatomic silver ion. Ionic silver solution is either a solution of monoatomic silver ions or clusters of silver atoms which have lost one or more electrons. The difference between these two is what you are drawing Peters attention to I think, but to call these clusters non-ionic is not correct. Also, the idea that some colloidal silver may contain, as you say, '... nonionic silver in small clusters each of which has a single positive charge not directly, at least, related to the valence of the individual atoms...' may occur with some generating methods, but does not with the LVDC method I employ. Here is part of a missive I posted in March which compares the silver assay as reported by the Ion Selective Electrode (ISE) which measures only the free silver ion, and the Atomic Absorption method which measures total silver content. "Because I wish to present to my customers independent silver assays including batch numbers etc. (why should they take my word for it?) periodically I send samples to a well respected laboratory for Atomic Absorbtion (AA) analysis, which reads TOTAL silver content. The results to date have confirmed my ISE readings to within 1 or 2PPM (20PPM samples) every time!! What does this mean? Simply this... no matter what the particle size, 15 atoms, 100 atoms, 1 atom, or mixture of particle sizes, the net ionic charge is the same as if the solution consisted of single Ag+ monovalent atoms only." >JOH: I agree, certainly not any amount that could be consumed without >drowning. :-) >About 3 to 5 % of approved drugs have proven benefits. Somewhere between >100,000 and 200,000 people---depending on how you interpret the >statistics---die from "approved drugs" annually in this country alone. > Side effects of legal drugs account for about 25 % of all deaths in >developed countries. All with the approval of government. > >Good fortune in your search for truth. Look with the intent to understand >and be willing to cope with a lot of disinformation. > > I hope that your condition continues to improve. > > >End JOH Amen Regards - Ivan -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: [email protected] -or- [email protected] with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: [email protected] List maintainer: Mike Devour <[email protected]> -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. 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