Thank you It was so very complete. Mary
-------------- Original message ---------------------- From: Ode Coyote <odecoy...@alltel.net> > > > > There is no significant difference between factual relativities in their > own context. > S Quinto makes it *look like* there is a difference by warping > definitions and contexts. > He uses TEM photos to show two entirely different things to try and prove > that the same things are different. > > The photos used to display "particle sizes" show silver oxides made by the > drying process require to use a TEM, NOT what's in the bottle. > It's the "way" a sample is dried that makes the resulting oxide particles > smaller, NOT "what" was dried. > > A TEM cannot detect an ion in a solution. > Ions can't exist without the liquid. [with a few irrelevant exceptions > pertaining to other ions in other environments that don't often include air > or water] > A TEM can't see anything, at all ..in a liquid. > Even if it could, with the field of view it has, "finding" a particle when > the concentration of particles is only 3% would be a matter of sheer luck. > Photos of mostly particles cannot represent the liquid containing mostly > -not particles-. 97% substance is not the same as 97% space. > > > Argentyn 23 tests out at 97% ionic. > "Puppy" samples tested out at ~85% ionic but can be much higher. A laser > gives you a clue. [Less of a beam at a given PPM = higher dissolved ionic > to colloidal particulate ratio. A meter only gives you an indication of > the the *ionic* PPM content ] > > Ions are ions, are ions. > Silver Oxide particles made by drying silver ions to put them on a slide a > TEM can use, are NOT " silver particles" or even Silver Oxide > particles....in a bottle. > If they were, that bottle of water would appear quite brown to black and a > meter not register anything relevant to "silver" at all. > > Those who have used both say they cannot tell the difference. [But don't > say *how* they looked at them either.] > I Assume that the instruments used were eyeballs and taste buds, possibly > laser pointer and meter. > > This from Frank Key...he knows his science. [But.... no one but Frank knows > what Meso-Silver is nor do I see mentioned the range of what silver > *particles* are "considered" to actually be......certainly not ...all > ...."metallic" silver in every case, but that's the only case I see > mentioned. ] > > In other words: What Franks says is accurate and not deceptive, but he > doesn't say ....everything....allowing the reader to reach a conclusion > about a product that may or may not be accurate. > What Steven says is clearly mis-leading, if not entirely "technically" > untrue...if you maintain that mixing technicalities is not lying. [like > legalese, the language of intentionally warped meanings used to avoid > "lying" by letting the reader determine where the subject of a discussion > shifted contexts while pointing to cleverly placed possibilities designed > to point in the wrong direction. ] > > " 9 out of 10 doctors recommend THIS pill over all others combined" [That > one doctor who recommended combining all other pills.... killed the > patient. NONE of the patients should have listened to ANY of the > recommendations. *Technically*, the dead guy committed suicide by way of > ignorance and the living were just lucky. The statement says nothing about > any pills. It speaks of doctors and recommendations. ] > > http://www.silver-colloids.com/Reports/reports.html > > * Ionic Silver Solutions > > The vast majority of products labeled and sold as colloidal silver fall > into this category due to the low degree of manufacturing complexity and > resulting low cost of production. The silver content in these products > consists of both > <http://silver-colloids.com/Papers/definitions.html#silver.ion>silver ions > and > <http://silver-colloids.com/Papers/definitions.html#silver.particles>silver > particles. Typically, 90% of the silver content is in the form of > <http://www.silver-colloids.com/Papers/definitions.html#ionic.silver>ionic > silver and the remaining 10% of the silver content is in the form of silver > particles. The silver ions are produced by electrolysis and may be > described as dissolved silver. Products produced by electrolysis are > frequently described as "electro colloids". Because the majority of the > silver content in these products is dissolved silver rather than metallic > silver particles, it would be more technically accurate to describe these > products as silver solutions. > > Confusingly, ads for these products frequently claim that silver ions are > small silver particles or describe the product as consisting of ionic > silver particles. Silver ions are not the same as silver particles and the > two terms are not interchangeable. Ionic silver is also referred to as > monatomic silver and silver hydrosol by some producers who choose not to > describe their products using the scientifically correct terminology. These > are marketing terms used to hide the truth that what is being sold is an > ionic silver solution. For more details read > <http://silver-colloids.com/Pubs/AboutIonic.html>About Ionic Silver. > > > http://silver-colloids.com/Pubs/AboutIonic.html > http://silver-colloids.com/Pubs/TEM.html > > Ode > > > > At 02:17 PM 8/13/2007 -0500, you wrote: > > >Hi everyone. Does anyone here know if there is any significant difference > >between > >Argentyn 23 and what we would make at home with a Silver Puppy generator? > > > >Thanks. Jodi > >-- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. > >Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To > >post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic > >messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off > >Topic List archives are currently down... 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