At 01:21 PM 10/17/2007 -0400, you wrote:
Ode Coyote wrote:
It is interesting that the USA Polio epidemic started around the same
time as the Spanish Flu epidemic and problematic
vaccine...but...causation doesn't exactly add up linking Spanish Flu
vaccines to Polio. Smallpox vaccines to Polio?
"Vaguely Possible" That would be quite a stretch of the imagination.
Not according to medical experts:
http://www.westonaprice.org/letters/L2001fa.html
That the smallpox vaccination caused polio in the 1940s.
A one liner with no reference to a documented connection is positive proof ?
A lot of substandard info on the whole page.
For instance:
Smoking does not "cause" cancer, it puts conditions in place for the odds
of developing cancerous tumors to increase and occur at a higher rate in
some smokers.
Smoking has been linked to "higher rates of occurance", constituting an
added risk factor, not a "cause".
Those who have never smoked, still get cancer, but at a lower statistical
rate at a later age...and not all that much lower at that.
We are all getting cancer all the time. The *cause* is error in DNA
replication which can be *triggered* in numerous ways.
Usually, the immune system knocks it out before it becomes a problem.
Smoking may depress that immune system as well.
The tobacco companies were not "lying", they were hedging a hedged
truth. Neither side of the fight *drama* was being honest.
"That they were still using arsenic to "cure" syphilis."
Hey, it worked pretty good, and the only alternative is to not even try.
Penicillin is obviously better in retrospect, but was there any available,
there, at that time?
It took a very long time after it was discovered, to make enough.
http://www.whale.to/vaccines/polio.html
According to that article, it was the early "Salk" POLIO vaccine that made
for polio cases...not the "Spanish flu" vaccine which wasn't mentioned at all.
However, no breakdown of how many cases were prevented compared to those
that were induced.
A better one came along later, and probably for good reason.
Rule: You go with what you have, not what you don't have.
A six point harness is far better in a crash than a lap belt, but if you
don't have one, a lap belt is better than nothing and not using it is just
plain stupid.
When something better comes around, you go with that.
That's what happened.
ode
Further, when you realize that we needed vaccination to provoke polio in
the first place, with the first known outbreak not occurring until mass
smallpox vaccination 100 years ago, well then you realize that avoiding
the administration of the other vaccines almost entirely removes any
threat of polio anyway.
Not only did the polio vaccine have nothing to do with the decline of
paralytic polio (or polio in general), evidence shows that vaccinations
for this and other diseases, notably diptheria, triple antigen (diptheria,
pertussis and tetanus) and smallpox - were responsible for its increase.
The decline of cases not caused by vaccination began to disappear in the
West with improvements in hygiene and sanitation and most of the decline
occurred well before the widespread use of polio vaccination.
http://www.vran.org/vaccines/polio/vaccine-pol.htm
Around the turn of the 20th century, people began reporting paralytic
illness after smallpox vaccination. ^(15) By the 1920s, infantile
paralysis (later renamed polio) began to emerge as an important new
disease that often afflicted the limb that had been vaccinated. And later,
when typhoid vaccine, then diphtheria, tetanus vaccines and pertussis
vaccines gained widespread use, illness and paralytic episodes following
vaccination became common knowledge. Provocation polio is a well known
phenomenon precipitated by "diverse factors that provoke or increase the
severity of polio in its victims, or localize it to a certain section in
the nervous system." Some of these factors included: vaccination, trauma,
tonsillectomies, pertussis vaccines, and the injection of numerous
substances such as cortisone, bismuth, guanine and penicillin. ^(9)
Polio vaccines to anything else?...not a chance.
How do you know so much more than the experts? Check this out:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OPV_AIDS_hypothesis
According to the *oral polio vaccine (OPVA) AIDS hypothesis*, the AIDS
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AIDS> pandemic
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pandemic> originated from live polio
vaccines <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polio_vaccine> prepared in
chimpanzee <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chimpanzee> tissue cultures which
were administered to up to one million Africans between 1957
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1957> and 1960
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1960>. The specific populations were the
first in the world to experience HIV-1 infections and AIDS some five years
later.
In particular the experimental oral vaccine, called CHAT-1, is claimed to
have been contaminated with simian immunodeficiency virus
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simian_immunodeficiency_virus> (SIV), a
group of viruses endemic to African primates and widely accepted as the
origin of HIV <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HIV>.
Proponents of the OPV AIDS hypothesis include journalist Edward Hooper
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Hooper> as well as scientists Louis
Paschal and the late W.D. Hamilton
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/W.D._Hamilton>.
The OPV AIDS hypothesis is contradicted by a large mass of scientific
evidence <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_method>, and is
considered to be incorrect by the scientific community
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_community>.^[1]
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OPV_AIDS_hypothesis#_note-worobey> ^[2]
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OPV_AIDS_hypothesis#_note-0> ^[3]
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OPV_AIDS_hypothesis#_note-1> ^[4]
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OPV_AIDS_hypothesis#_note-blancou> ^[5]
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OPV_AIDS_hypothesis#_note-berry>
^Google polio vaccination aids and you will find over one million articles
discussing this possible connection.
^Marshall
^
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