At 12:42 PM 2/9/2008 +0000, you wrote:
Ode Said:
Listening to finger pointers of any stripe just allows you to not make your
own decisions and hold someone else responsible for what you never bothered
to do.
That's *chicken sh&t whine baby tantrum* stuff.
Is that finger even on your own hand? Thought not.
AND, it's ANOTHER thing that YOU decided to do, that being....Hold yourself
helpless by letting someone else decide so you could blame *them* if they
turn out to be wrong.
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Ode, I agree with your views about the 'finger pointers' and taking
responsibility
our own decisions. I think that where we differ is our view on who
exactly ARE the
finger pointers. From my perspective, it is the Big Pharma controlled FDA
who do
the most vicious finger pointing - persecuting and imprisoning wonderful,
dedicated,
honest doctors because they DARE to offer an alternative treatment.
You don't seem to be as outraged by the HUGE injustice of the
FDA and Big Pharma as you are outraged at people's gulibility.
Frankie
It was the peoples gulibility that "made" the FDA so many years ago....
and FDA rules, in turn, organized the Pharm into an entity that can
accomplish the advances in medicine and chemistry that has become too
complicated for even the FDA to comprehend.
I am neither outraged at the peoples gullibility, OR the FDA, OR the
Pharm. All have done according to human nature as best they could have
under the conditions that existed.
What is outrageous is that imperfect people are outraged at everyone elses
imperfection without admitting their own.
In the process of deferring this portion of responsibility for *how things
are*, people hold themselves trapped, powerless and hopeless.....unable to
do anything about it but holler and scream...then bind themselves to opposites.
That's outrageously tiresome and ineffective.
Furthermore,
The opposite of bad is not always good and opens up the way for all sorts
of charlatans to take advantage of the peoples gullibility, who once again
DEMAND that the *powers that be* wield even MORE power, by default, in a
vicious circle of blame.
What I have been observing is not total control of alternatives by the FDA,
but a "blind eye" to anything that isn't obviously harmful.
It's not the "FDA" that prohibits those good doctors from making offerings
of alternatives, but the **insurance companies** who are driven to do so by
the sheer volume of OUTRAGEOUS claims they pay out on when those good
doctors turn out to be wrong as THE PEOPLE [as juries] set the OUTRAGEOUS
pay out numbers according to what a person *could have* earned had he been
cured who...if they HADN'T sought help.... wouldn't be earning anything.
THAT [in great big letters] is what makes doctors toe the official line
and shy away from advising or administering anything that's not in the book
of rules that keeps doctors safe from litigation.
It is NOT "forbidden" to offer such things, it's UNSAFE.
The-doctors-are-afraid-of-the-people-they-treat, are held as infallible
gods in the absence of those same peoples knowledge with the presumption
that "IF this person is NOT the GOD I believe he/she is...then it's the
Devil and must be destroyed."
..and it's THE PEOPLE who have hired teams of goons to accomplish that
destruction.
..and then sit and complain about the price they have to pay, both their
goons AND the cost of doctors engaged in self defense, forced to hire
their own goons who forbid them to do anything that might attract an attack.
OUTRAGEOUS!
If I don't know what I'm doing, what gives me the right to rake someone I
went to, to know more than I do, across the coals when they aren't
absolutely perfect in the face of my own imperfection?
IOW
I am allowed to be completely ignorant and literally hold a gun to the head
of someone who might be less ignorant, then SHOOT them if they aren't the
wizard I made them out to be, when..if I DIDN'T go to them..I'd not be able
to hold a gun to anyones head at all.
I amounts to going to the Devil for advise when I am not my own god, then
condemning him to Hell when he's even partially the Devil I claimed he
wasn't when I went to him for that advise.
OUTRAGEOUS!!
All sides of the cost of this "protection" is paid by the consumer. It
just can't be any other way.
AND it goes all up and down the branches into the industries that make
medical equipment and anyone who can be held responsible for any
errors...right down to the hospitals dishwasher who may have let a dirty
fork slip by....like no "people" ever did such things.
At home, if you find a hair in your soup, you pick it out and eat. In a
restaurant, you stick the establishment with the tab and they HAVE TO
include that cost in all the tabs or go out of business.
The result is that the guardians appointed by the people are tied into
"Damned if you do and damned if you don't" straight jackets toeing lines
....while the lunatics run the asylum enforcing edicts with hired goons.
I, a "people" have hired 6 people to fight over how to lead me down a path
instead of me learning how to walk and being willing to trip over a root in
the process.
Then if I do fall over, everyone else has to pay my goons to make me rich.
But if I don't fall over..I AM... all those other people paying stumblebums.
OUTRAGEOUS
So then. Are the **insurance companies** "evil"?
Well, yes they are...exactly as evil... as WE made them.
Are doctors hamstrung?
You BET they are....WE strung them up.
The FDA is just another bunch of goons that we demanded exist, but their
***main*** focus is not on "our" antics, but the evil Pharms antics, with
the Pharm paying the lions share of the cost of goon squads, both in attack
and defense, passing that cost on to the consumer......because there is no
other place for it to go.
BUT
**ALL** of these entities are "people" just-like-you-and-me.
Some more so than others, just like us...playing "games" that we all set up.
A "Fine Mess" we've gotten ourselves into, Ollie.
Bottom line:
EVERYONE engaged in a system is responsible for how that system
functions..PERIOD.
Don't like it? Disengage and form a system that you DO like.
If it actually "works" better, the old system will join up...just like it
did to form "THIS" system.
It's not "forbidden", but it is a Risky business made more difficult by the
protections that were demanded when that wasn't done to start with.
[Weak attempt at "on topic"]
This list is what that's all about.
CS ..DOES something and it can't be stopped or controlled.
It's something that we CAN do...never mind what "can't" or wasn't.
Can't do it?
You are absolutely right......right into the can o' worms.
If you are willing to take all the risk and be quiet, no law can prevent
you from doing anything you want to do.
The quiet don't attract attention. If there is no attention, there cannot
be any enforcement.
But the instant you try to blame someone for your deviation, it will
knock your head off as designed.
But but but, I don't know what to do! YOU are supposed to know!
That's:
Help me, help me, no..not like that.
How then?
If I knew that, I'd not be asking for the help...all I know is ...'Not like
that'
You are wrong, therefore anything else, no matter how nuts, is right and if
the "opposites" misinform and rip us off, that's OK...anybody but that
thief we know.
That's just fine.
There ARE gems in all this "Alt med" dirt, but, We believe we know how to
sort out the gems simply by pointing out all the dirt we shoveled next door
in the past...that's also loaded with gems.
Yea right.
Fix me, how DARE you think I'm broken.
Here, let me tell you what to do, then take swings at you when you do it.
"Go get em boys" [Why am I wearing this noose all of a sudden?]
OUTRAGEOUS
If we simply stopped holding other people responsible for our own
ignorance, it would be an entirely different world.
EVERYONE is relatively ignorant. There ARE no exceptions.
Expecting the perfection that you yourself don't possess and don't even
pursue, then hanging somebody else because they aren't
"it" without flaw...because they are "trying" to do something you won't
even attempt?
OUTRAGEOUS
"WE" formed the FDA by default, pointed them at the Pharm that was formed
as a result of us forming the FDA, then we call both of them evil because
we have *******successfully******* done what we set out to do.
That being: To hold someone else responsible for what we didn't do for
ourselves.
Here, YOU take the risk. [Oh goody, they fell for it, now we get to blame
them. ]
OUTRAGEOUS
Well, screw "them" and you too.
Do what you want to do!
..even if it kills ya.
THEN you won't be playing these OUTRAGEOUS games.
Just "drop out".
There's NOTHING in your way but YOU.
Even THIS system will let you die quietly, or live quietly...if ...you
are right.
...and if you are right, others will follow your lead and subvert the
system in a way it won't even know it WAS subverted...just like it was to
get into "these games" by consolidating all those wrongs to "point at"
without ever acknowledging what we did.
That's how subversion works.
That's how it came to be that there are now so many silver based "products"
being sold by the "big boys" these days.
Those "big boys" will, of course, try to tell you. "You can't, so buy
from us"
But you KNOW better.
Whos ears are on YOUR head?
Well, there are plenty who don't know and don't want to know. That's "Sales"
People who don't know they can or believe they can't, "buy"
....even though in the balance, even the finger pointers demonstrate their
dependence on that "bad" with every dollar they hand it for their salvation.
That's: "Prop it up and holler about the architecture ruining the scenery"
OUTRAGEOUS
"They" cannot live without US..."buying". No way around that.
"power of" = risk and it's rewards in freedom.
Pass that risk off and you get "powered over" by default.
That's what "this" IS.
Only question left is "Now What?"
The answer will, of course, be:
"Do the same thing harder, to someone else."
...that'll work. [ just like it always has ]
And if that succeeds, it will be the new target, made the same way this
one was.
"New boss, same as the old boss"....making money FOR the boss in order to
get paid *part* of it.... and none risking self employment.
And then hating the job you depend on... and the Boss that you pay to
organize it so you can have a job at all...then unionizing it to freeking
China when you won't pay your own labor rate demands in the cost of what
you produced, at the discount store while complaints about lack of service
pour in as that lack of service is what makes the store cheaper to operate.
Point a finger while sitting on that opposable thumb that makes building
things possible.....it's all "their" fault my butt hurts?
...and no work gets done.
Business as usual, again..."dickless wonders" [so to speak] making nothing
but noise about a screwing, doing nothing different.
Hey! YOU stand up and walk away from me, as I tag along yelling at you
for being in the lead.
OUTRAGEOUS!!!
I know!
Let's hire some goons to make it all "free"...and make "them " pay the
goons too.
Power to the mobs! Endless riches by riot shall be ours! Burn it all down
so we can have something!
WE needn't build anything, we'll just ...."Steal it Back"... and expect an
endless supply of loot.
Ridiculously outrageous.
But, that's "loud people"..."us".... doing what "they" don't...which is,
spending their energies not building a danged thing to be complained about.
Nothing built "to" complain about = no complaints. Right?
Oh well. Running in place "feels like" work.
I'm awful tired. I musta done "something".
Loud enough?
Hey. I *know* that I'm spinning MY wheels here.
..just an excuse to have another cup of coffee as I procrastinate...that's
what I'm "doing" ...nothing, on purpose.
Thank ya'll for the opportunity to learn how to type and fix a computer.
[Doesn't take a "good" reason to learn something useful] LOL
My advise?
Procrastinate now!
..or you'll never get around to it.
Suns up, out of coffee, wired and weird....see ya'll.
Got stuff to do.
Ode
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