MaryAnn;
No disguise, thick or thin; I apologize for the evident anger I expressed in my heated response to you, and I continue to object to your obfuscation particularly on the issues of de-beaking and your belligerent, contemptuous response to another list member; whatever you may feel that person "deserves". Whatever condescension you find in Indi's posts, I leave it to you and Indi to 'slug it out'; I stand by my observations of practice in the poultry industry. In that regard, my use of the word "miniscule" in referring to the size of your operation was indeed phrased as a put-down, and if I object to others doing that I certainly shouldn't do it myself. Again, I apologize for my rudeness. Whatever value I may attach to my point, I diminish it by that rudeness to you. That said however, there is an obvious difference between the scale of your operation and that of e.g., Foster Farms of approximately 1 to 50, and your claim to know common practice in the poultry industry as a whole over the past 13 years is evidently wrong. Yet it was on the basis of this false claim that you called another person a proven liar; not merely that your experience differed. As regards condescension, I pointed out that you have used it in several of your posts in this thread. The examples I referred to in our recent exchanges are enough to show your practice and its intent. I gave you back a small dose of your own medicine delivered in virtually your own words, and you had it coming in spades. Your comment of being blind-sided? Interesting. The "desperation" of being "driven" to blocking emails? Versus, say, deleting or not reading them or simply not responding? There's certainly a problem here, and it involves the action of "rat-packing" too; that's probably worth addressing with the "rat-pack"-ee; in less rhetorically murderous and/or inflammatory terms; i.e., Both sides, IMNSHO. (But I'm always a sucker for the underdog. So it goes <g>) Malcolm On Tue, 2009-04-28 at 09:06 -0700, MaryAnn Helland wrote: > Well Malcolm -- more accusations, thinly disguised as an apology? As > much as I hate to be dragged back into this, I am compelled to > respond, at least a little bit. > > I didn't "dummy up" about de-beaking -- and I certainly didn't "shade > the truth by denying the facts". When I read her post, I didn't even > realize she was referring to *de-beaking*, one reason being that it's > been so long since this was done. Another reason being that she said: > "with chickens they commonly remove beaks and feet". And she said it > with the authority of personal knowledge, which she didn't have. As > you said in your post, de-beaking is blunting just the curved portion > of the beak, which in chicks is miniscule. Isn't that substantially > different than "removing their beaks"? And I have never heard of > chicken's feet being removed. Her comment was ridiculous. Still is. > > You made two references to the "condescension" in my post, yet > employed it yourself when referring to the size of our poultry > business and our own experience in the industry, and again in > your *apology* post. And you have no objections to the > condescension so evident in Indi's posts. But you object to mine? > Please. What I object to is being blind-sided by someone I don't know > and who doesn't know me, while I'm having a conversation with someone > else. Strictly low-class, kiddo. Don't do that. K? > > I'm very glad that Mike put my post through regarding our poultry > business, because I'd hate for people to think of terrible things > every time they sit down to a chicken or turkey dinner. I don't > understand your comment about the "rat-packing" that supposedly took > place. When a list member pi**es off so many people that other list > members are calling for his or her resignation, and in desperation are > blocking his or her emails, well I think there's something going on > besides rat-packing. At any rate, I'm as tired of this thread as > everyone else is, so if you don't mind -- I'm done. MA > > > > > > > > > > -- > The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. > > Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org > > To post, address your message to: [email protected] > > Address Off-Topic messages to: [email protected] > > The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... > > List maintainer: Mike Devour <[email protected]> > > >
