There IS no barrier to brainwash.
It's just a matter who gets to do it and who doesn't know it was done.
There is also no point of view that can be completely accurate.
The "point" is that EVERY point of view has been spun.
*Anything* can be justified.
"Anything* can be denied.
..then believed.
But if it has opposition, it has fallen short of being true.
The equation has not been solved, complexity shoveled under the carpet to
support a belief.
Different carpet, different bunnies judging dust...all engaged in being so
so certain.
Then condemning another for doing the very same thing.
So far as consumer power, there is nothing in this world you HAVE TO buy.
A desire is not a need.
Even staying alive is not a need.
Eventually, you will not succeed.
Does the inevitable have a wrong time?
Is a con man a thief when all he's done is carry the desire you handed to him?
The one you've denied was "yours" and wouldn't carry your self.
The alcoholic that drinks himself to death may be more aware of his
desires than the ones telling him he shouldn't.
If you give him a dollar for food, who is it that's disappointed when he
heads for the bar? Not him.
Your gift wasn't a gift and you didn't know what you were doing.
He has his own definition of food.
He had nothing to do with your disappointment..it's yours.
Nothing more than an error in judgement and a failed attempt to manipulate
anothers desire.
Learn and be grateful or don't learn and be angry, your choice again.
No teacher is in charge of lessons.
Take it as you will, you always do...then deny you did. [with backlash
being used to justify the denial]
ode
At 02:24 PM 4/26/2009 -0400, you wrote:
Yay, Malcolm!
"Unspun", indeed...
--
indi
Intelligence is clearly no barrier to brainwash.
On Sun, Apr 26, 2009 at 11:09:54AM -0700, Malcolm wrote:
> On Sun, 2009-04-26 at 08:04 -0400, Ode Coyote wrote:
> >
> > " Unspun " allows for differing points of view to expand the
> > possibilities, vs limiting vision with the belief that you are right
> > because you believe every one else is wrong...and that, because no other
> > point of view was tested.
>
> Quit assigning Points Of View to YOUR "imagined others" implicitely.
> Who IS "you" above?? obviously a straw-man envisioned to bolster your
> (Ode's) "unrestrained reason" Point Of View.
>
> Similarly, for your ridiculous examples below.
>
> > ..takes a touch of schizophrenia?
>
> Tunnel vision will do, and is less pejorative an Ad-Hominem argument.
> >
> > Examples of unspinning:
>
> Rather, Re-spinning.
> >
> > There are those that cleave to a belief in CS, not on its own
merits, but
> > merely against the Pharm, condemning those of whom they have no
knowledge
> > or experience as simply evil.
>
> And there are illimitably many imagined others - which is not to say
> this particular foible doesn't exist in some people - just that it is
> Your selection of a ridiculous point of view, chosen by you as the foil
> for your "reasons"; i.e., Point of View.
> > Unspun: The people IN the Pharm industry are exactly like those OUTSIDE
> > the industry...just people.
>
> Nope, even statistically this point of view is logically questionable.
> And in terms of 'logical self-interest', a POV you appear to espouse
> with an absolutist's fervor, they are probably - statistically, as a
> generalized group, as well as individually - more likely to hold a POV
> favorable to the pharmaceuticals they are associated with than is the
> general public.
> >
> > "The doctors are out to kill us" ??
> > Nonsense. They must operate inside a little box placed around them by
> > their own patients, in self defense.
>
> Poor things!
> >
> > They charge too much !!
> > Sure they do, self defense is very expensive..and many are quitting
> > because they can't make a living commensurate with the effort it took to
> > learn what's in that little box.
> > Many DO know much more than that, but can't use it.
> >
> > The Pharm is just GREEDY...go to the "Alternative" industry.
> > But that industry is just as greedy for even less of a reason.
> > Greed without all the risk and far fewer middlemen to pay, what a deal.
> > Who pays for the defense teams?
>
> Ah, yes: the good ol' "You're another" or "He did it first" argument;
> used to justify anything sleazy. . .
> >
> > Unspun:
> > "Business doesn't pay taxes and all costs are included in the bottom
line,
> > without which, there is no business"
> > " That which people won't buy cannot be sold"
> > The consumer has absolute control over both ends of the market.
> > Without demand, supply is pointless waste.
>
> Oh, sure! Many go without food or water for months at a time, bring
> those poor little agribusinesses right to their knees, huh?
> " "That which people won't buy cannot be sold" "
>
> You tout that as some overwhelming logic?? Uncontrolled reason?? C'mon
> Ode . . .
>
> > I'm poor because I have no money.
>
> Try Banking, I hear the government will support you to be professionally
> incompetent; i.e., rhetorically devious.
>
> > Give a poor man money and he'll be poor again in short order and stay
that way.
> > Many a millionaire has gone broke more than once.
>
> At which point - SURPRISE! - he was poor. QED
> >
> > ode
> >
> >
> > At 11:20 AM 4/25/2009 -0700, you wrote:
> > >Unspun: Except by you?? C'mon, Ode, POV is POV - inescapable:
> > >especially by you, an individualist of the first order.
> > >
> > >On Sat, 2009-04-25 at 09:21 -0400, Ode Coyote wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Indi unsubbed last I heard..can't stand the heat of
uncontrolled reason
> > > > unspun.
> > > >
> > > > ode
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > At 12:44 PM 4/24/2009 -0400, you wrote:
> > > > >WOO,HOO!!!!
> > > > >A REAL FOOD FIGHT!!!
> > > > >
> > > > >BTW, you DO know about the silver Off-Topic list that you should be
> > > > >using?
> > > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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indi
