Thank you Ivan. Ivan Anderson wrote: > > Robert, > If I may make some comments... > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <[email protected]> > > >>snip<< > > > > As you peruse this list you will find more baloney than you > could imagine. My > > job hs been to stir the pot and get people to stop the simple > battery device > > and them wonder where they are and what has happened to their > CS. > > I can imagine a lot more baloney than I find on this list, I see > it out there in cyber-space every day. In fact I find the people > on this list to be most reasonable, intelligent and pragmatic. I > see a group of people who have come together to learn, experiment > and pass on their thoughts and ideas, some driven to find relief > for debilitating illness, others having a wish to help those as > they have been helped themselves. Further there are the majority > who look on, hopefuly finding their unspoken questions asked and > answered, sifting through the messages and maybe finding a morsal > that they may apply in the betterment of their own lives. Then > there are those of us who like to discuss the technical minutiae > of CS generation and action. > > Let us not forget, that colloidal silver has been helping people > overcome pathogenic infection, via the three battery method, for > YEARS before you or I started our investigations. > After all what is the object of the exercise... to provide > ordinary people with the means to treat themselves and their > families that is cheap and simple, that they can make themselves. > Let us not forget, that most of the colloidal silver which people > use is yellow or gold. Sure it may be that clear CS has a smaller > particle size, has better stability etc. but so what...!!! Does > that mean that yellow CS isn't affective...No. Does that mean > that it is not stable...No. > Is it necessary for people to buy your machine or mine...No. > > > Some of the baloney is; boil the water (if you want to boil do > it in a vacuum > > chamber as I have done to remove the adsorbed gases. It makes > very little > > difference with 36 v, but it does effect the process from 180 > vdc and up. > > Another "old wives tale" is use brown or blue bottles and store > in the dark. > > So how many are generating at 180 vdc. Heat distilled water to > boiling if you want. > > > I like the 16 oz clear coke bottle as the five little feet are > excellent > > collectors if the CS should dropout. My samples are in the room > light and > > about 8 feet from a 100 watt light. > > > > Then the subject of refrigeration. It will destroy the yellow > CS as will > > freezing, but the clear CS is unaffected. > > So don't refigerate or freeze, its not needed. > > > Can't use plastic of the type used in milk bottles it causes > the CS to > > plaste-out on the walls. > > Most food grade plastics are fine, in my experience. > > > There has been much discussion on the merits of the "starved > electorde" > > operation in the brewing of CS. I believe that the parameters I > am using fall > > into that category. I haven't had time to run the calcs. > > > > I use 1" spacing with 3-1/2" of #14 gage silver in the DW. I > have settled on > > basically a 60 X 60 switch pluse. > > Shorter times length the brew time, Longer times shorten the > brew time, but > > there comes a trade-off on sludge in the bottom of the brew > cup. With DW that > > has 1- 3 microSmiens of conductivity. Generally 500 k ohms to > 250k as measured > > with a one centimeter conductivity probe. At present the > measurements are made > > with dc but a 800 hz to 1 khz ohmmeter would be much better. > > > > Others do not get any consistency, but the polarity reversal > seems to wrap >up all of the dangling ends into a small package > > Your unit sounds very good, but I must say that it does not seem > to be the *answer* any more than does mine. I settled for a > current limited device that develops 30 v from a single 9 v > battery, has no fallout at 20 ppm, is clear, and only takes 2.5 > hrs, not 25. > Others do get consistency. Its probably more difficult to achieve > perfect cosistency with discharging batteries, but if one follows > a recipe then results will be consistent. To improve consistency > use fewer batteries, 1 or 2, or use an AC to dc power adaptor, > use a fixed electrode configuration and the same brand of > distilled water. (see a previous post) > > Robert, you came to this list with the expressed purpose to > "debunk" the CS community and to stir the pot. If that is what > you need for motovation, fine, but don't be fooled into thinking > your way is *the* way. The *predictable CS* generator has been > around for some time, you just didn't notice. > You know I have test equipment every bit as sophisticated as > yours and which is a damn sight easier to use. I can measure > concentration directly during generation, which makes for very > nice curves. I have the facilities to generate 100 litres in 36 > hrs. I have 20 litres of light yellow 20 ppm CS 1 year old which > shows no deterioration. I may not be an electrical or electronic > engineer, but then I still seem to manage ok. > > I really have and do appreciate your posts to the list, they have > helped me refine my own opinions, and saved me the time and > trouble of trying out methods I otherwise would have. When I have > a moment I will build the circuit you posted, so that we can > compare the difference, if any, between measuring methods. > But please lets all agree that different methods of generation > are valid, that all CS (within reason) is effective, and that the > reason for making it at all, is to improve the health of the > common man and woman. > > sincerely > Ivan Anderson. > > -- > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: > [email protected] -or- [email protected] > with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. > > To post, address your message to: [email protected] > > List maintainer: Mike Devour <[email protected]>
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