Robert, If I may make some comments... ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]>
>>snip<< > > As you peruse this list you will find more baloney than you could imagine. My > job hs been to stir the pot and get people to stop the simple battery device > and them wonder where they are and what has happened to their CS. I can imagine a lot more baloney than I find on this list, I see it out there in cyber-space every day. In fact I find the people on this list to be most reasonable, intelligent and pragmatic. I see a group of people who have come together to learn, experiment and pass on their thoughts and ideas, some driven to find relief for debilitating illness, others having a wish to help those as they have been helped themselves. Further there are the majority who look on, hopefuly finding their unspoken questions asked and answered, sifting through the messages and maybe finding a morsal that they may apply in the betterment of their own lives. Then there are those of us who like to discuss the technical minutiae of CS generation and action. Let us not forget, that colloidal silver has been helping people overcome pathogenic infection, via the three battery method, for YEARS before you or I started our investigations. After all what is the object of the exercise... to provide ordinary people with the means to treat themselves and their families that is cheap and simple, that they can make themselves. Let us not forget, that most of the colloidal silver which people use is yellow or gold. Sure it may be that clear CS has a smaller particle size, has better stability etc. but so what...!!! Does that mean that yellow CS isn't affective...No. Does that mean that it is not stable...No. Is it necessary for people to buy your machine or mine...No. > Some of the baloney is; boil the water (if you want to boil do it in a vacuum > chamber as I have done to remove the adsorbed gases. It makes very little > difference with 36 v, but it does effect the process from 180 vdc and up. > Another "old wives tale" is use brown or blue bottles and store in the dark. So how many are generating at 180 vdc. Heat distilled water to boiling if you want. > I like the 16 oz clear coke bottle as the five little feet are excellent > collectors if the CS should dropout. My samples are in the room light and > about 8 feet from a 100 watt light. > > Then the subject of refrigeration. It will destroy the yellow CS as will > freezing, but the clear CS is unaffected. So don't refigerate or freeze, its not needed. > Can't use plastic of the type used in milk bottles it causes the CS to > plaste-out on the walls. Most food grade plastics are fine, in my experience. > There has been much discussion on the merits of the "starved electorde" > operation in the brewing of CS. I believe that the parameters I am using fall > into that category. I haven't had time to run the calcs. > > I use 1" spacing with 3-1/2" of #14 gage silver in the DW. I have settled on > basically a 60 X 60 switch pluse. > Shorter times length the brew time, Longer times shorten the brew time, but > there comes a trade-off on sludge in the bottom of the brew cup. With DW that > has 1- 3 microSmiens of conductivity. Generally 500 k ohms to 250k as measured > with a one centimeter conductivity probe. At present the measurements are made > with dc but a 800 hz to 1 khz ohmmeter would be much better. > > Others do not get any consistency, but the polarity reversal seems to wrap >up all of the dangling ends into a small package Your unit sounds very good, but I must say that it does not seem to be the *answer* any more than does mine. I settled for a current limited device that develops 30 v from a single 9 v battery, has no fallout at 20 ppm, is clear, and only takes 2.5 hrs, not 25. Others do get consistency. Its probably more difficult to achieve perfect cosistency with discharging batteries, but if one follows a recipe then results will be consistent. To improve consistency use fewer batteries, 1 or 2, or use an AC to dc power adaptor, use a fixed electrode configuration and the same brand of distilled water. (see a previous post) Robert, you came to this list with the expressed purpose to "debunk" the CS community and to stir the pot. If that is what you need for motovation, fine, but don't be fooled into thinking your way is *the* way. The *predictable CS* generator has been around for some time, you just didn't notice. You know I have test equipment every bit as sophisticated as yours and which is a damn sight easier to use. I can measure concentration directly during generation, which makes for very nice curves. I have the facilities to generate 100 litres in 36 hrs. I have 20 litres of light yellow 20 ppm CS 1 year old which shows no deterioration. I may not be an electrical or electronic engineer, but then I still seem to manage ok. I really have and do appreciate your posts to the list, they have helped me refine my own opinions, and saved me the time and trouble of trying out methods I otherwise would have. When I have a moment I will build the circuit you posted, so that we can compare the difference, if any, between measuring methods. But please lets all agree that different methods of generation are valid, that all CS (within reason) is effective, and that the reason for making it at all, is to improve the health of the common man and woman. sincerely Ivan Anderson. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: [email protected] -or- [email protected] with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: [email protected] List maintainer: Mike Devour <[email protected]>
