Hello Again, "Understand. That starts approaching plasma, touchy stuff :-)." ---V.
Can you elaborate on "plasma" , or give me a reference that I may look at in detail---JOH Fluke says to not use their usual clamp transformer because the clamp is not rated for that voltage. The generator lead wires are rated for 20KV DC, so I don't think the current will arc into the transformer coil, but I don't know about harmonics. On my list: find a HV clamp that does not cost a fortune. I forgot to mention, but you probably assumed that I was using 60 Hz. I am tempted to try it anyway, but not hooked up to my Fluke 87, at least not for a first try. I would rather cook an el-cheapo Radio Shack meter than the Fluke. If you look at the past year or so of list traffic you will see a lot of issues regarding HVAC methods vs. LVDC. It is still unresolved, and everyone holds their own position aggressively. My thinking at present: If the germicidal action of CS is based on the + charge---origin unclear, at least to me---of each Ag particle---then the more finely divided the total weight of silver the more charges. Also, the surface area increases dramatically, resulting in more contact with the bad guys. I think someone on the list calculated it, perhaps Ivan Anderson. The problem with studying all this is that electron microscope time is very expensive for the semi-pro researcher. So are culture studies. Even though the setup to do cultures is relatively minimal, it still takes a lot of time and money if your do not have deep pockets and have a day-job. The spectrum of opinion about particle size is very broad. Very little is supported by solid compelling evidence, on either side of the controversy One researcher and manufacturer of HVAC machines and sol, Bruce Marx, tells me that he has looked at a lot of LVDC silver with a TEM. I don't think the studies were large or formal. His findings are summarized: "...golf balls...". Others claim otherwise. Especially those who make and sell LVDC equipment and product. There are probably lots of variants. There is also strong difference of opinion of the benefit of "big or little, only with this subject, some say 'little is better". It is obvious that most sols, starting with those made with the most simple equipment are dramatically effective against a broad spectrum of pathogens, regardless of what may eventually turn out to be best. And, it is obvious by sol color that LVDC is capable of producing very-fine-particle silver. I just wish one of those guys making big bucks with LVDC would send in a sample and publish the results. For controlling start water temp. I think a fish tank heater might do the trick. Long ago, I used to use them to grow Stropharia Cubensis, but I do not know if the differential is small enough for silver, because I don't know how critical start water temp is to the entire process. I think this stuff has a lot of "strange attractors" In the HVAC process, enough heat is generated to heat the water up to about 110 F. from 75 to 80 at start. This makes me think of a tempered bath (heating and cooling) , to optimize particle size uniformity. More of those funny green things needed to do that, for sure. For a lot of mind-blowing info on the "disease industry", see www.trufax.org. Note, that is ."org", not ".com". Thank you again for your comments and input.. James Osbourne, Holmes [email protected] -----Original Message----- From: Victoria Welch [SMTP:[email protected]] Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 1999 7:30 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: CS>Predictable CS Hi James, > Welcome to our little zoo. Thank you! Nice to be here. > Your comments are well taken. I control my starting water temperature with > a manual water bath, and intend to set up something to control it > automatically. Just did my first batch :-). If I was making a lot of this, I would probably choose a fishtank heater as a low cost and reasonably effective method. > There are so many variables, and that is an easy one to > eliminate. I have not read it yet, but somewhere in my bookmarks is a > commentary about the effect of the phase of the moon on CS processes. > Perhaps I should also consider my state-of- mind when I am making a > batch.. Always your state of mind :-). I found something on the phase of moon thing while researching this: -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- From: http://www.ioa.com/~dragonfly/silvermf.html How to make a colloidal silver solution: Do this any time other than the week surrounding the new moon (when the moon is overhead at noon) if you want to be successful. Also, The best time to make colloidal silver is during what is called 'the solunar period.' There are two solunar periods each day. They begin approximately 6 hours after either moon-rise or moon-set, and last for about 90 minutes. Since moon rise/set times change every day, you will have to figure out when these times are for your local area. Many metropolitan newspapers publish this moon rise/set times daily. [ ... ] -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- I did not consider this for todays experiment, but, as I recall, there is a program on my server here (POM) that will tell me this. I'll add this into the equation once I get comfortable with the manufacturing process. > I would like to recommend a book. It is a bit dated, but it will probably > push you over the edge re: The Medical Establishment. It is a history of > the AMA and more. The AMA was started by a man who made patent medicine. > He paid a group of Docs to endorse his products and stridently decry > others---until they joined the AMA. Then, their stuff was 'just fine". > Sound familiar? > > Murder by Injection; The Story of the Medical Conspiracy Against America > [ ... ] This is something I need no convincing on. I grew up around the conventional medical "profession" and while there is much good they do, there is more (IMO) harm that they do. Arrogance and ignorance of methods that worked for centuries bother me when it comes to my health. Far too many "doctors" set themselves up as "gods", which is a problem that would resolve itself were they also accountable as such. I have seen people treated barbarically and with the intent of "keeping them coming back". IMO some of this was criminal, but the AMA "force" has become too powerful, both financially and politically to challenge directly (and unlikely even if you are right). Ignorance of the general populace keeps them there :-(. Far too many people have gone into "medicine" not for a desire to become a healer (directly) but moreso because "there is good money in the medical profession". I strongly suspect that a majority of the medical problems that people suffer in this day and time is nutritional. NPK will not save us, but it sure as hell keeps the "medical profession" quite financially solvent along with those taxing their income. I have studied nutrition for a number of years now and am very frightened by what I have discovered concerning our "food supply". One of the finest diagnostic tools I have found for the ills that are present in our world is that of the "money flow diagram", amazing how much sense that makes when used to make sense out of things that make no sense. But I suspect that none of this is news to this group :-). > A question somewhat related to process control: can you recommend a type > of, and/or source-of a milliampmeter---0 to about 3 mA range--- which will > read a 10KV line inductively? I don't want to cut the lead if I can avoid > it, because the thing is very sensitive to even trivial changes in the > physical circuit. Understand. That starts approaching plasma, touchy stuff :-). I would say look into a clamp on probe that will interface to a VOM/DVM. There are several sources out on the net for this. Try the Fluke site and a general search on "clamp on current probe". Probably won't be cheap, especially in the 10KV range. Are you using 10KV for CS? I would be interested as to why? ~= 30V seems to be pretty common and recommended. I've got some questions on my first batch, but I'll post that seperately. Thanks & take care, Vikki. -- Victoria Welch, WV9K, DoD#-13, Net/Sys/WebAdmin SeaStar.org, vikki.oz.net "Walking on water and developing software to specification are easy as long as both are frozen" - Edward V. Berard. Do not unto others, that which you would not have others do unto you. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: [email protected] -or- [email protected] with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: [email protected] List maintainer: Mike Devour <[email protected]> -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: [email protected] -or- [email protected] with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: [email protected] List maintainer: Mike Devour <[email protected]>
