If you have an accident in America, you get treated right away too.
Then you get a bill, which a lot of people don't pay.
The non payment is then spread out in the form of high hospital charges
for everyone else to pay.
So, we DO have "socialized" medicine and that's one reason why its so
darned expensive.
Add to that a ANOTHER huge layer of Gov't administrators and paperwork
and you can kiss a budget good bye into unfunded liability land...like
medicare/mediciad.
Medicare/medicaid works pretty good...now...on borrowed money.
When no one will loan you money anymore, you start inventing it....and
the FED has started doing just that.
Then everything is running on pure faith with nothing to back it.
So long as you "keep the faith", that'll work...but reality has a nasty
tendency to sneak up behind you in a boat load of zeros.
The moral dilemma makes the practical one unsolvable.
I can kick someone I know and like into the street for destroying my
property with criminal neglect when they don't have to do such careless
things. "That person is not my responsibility" ..they "asked for it".
But a total stranger that neglects his own life...is.
In New Orleans, they tore down a lot of public housing because it just
became un do-able.....
It simply couldn't be maintained faster than it was torn apart by the
inhabitants.
They watched "their" homes being torn down, pissing and moaning about how
it could be fixed.
BY WHO !!! ?? with WHAT ? You did nothing but mess up that which you
were given, NOW it's yours?
OK ,YOU fix it.
I don't have a problem with helping somebody pull their little red wagon
down the road for a while, done it many times.
But when they stop pulling at all, sit there and collect rocks, whittle
their names in the boards and pee on the floor......I'm gonna want to let
go of the handle.
Gov't mandate [force] says "you can't"..and that person sitting in what
is now YOUR loaded wagon, knows it.
And that Gov't just adds THEIR load in the cost of ENFORCING that ..YOU
CAN'T.
"If you think it's expensive now, just wait till its' free."
A DEMONSTRATED true-ism.
Sooner or later, I'll agree.
Yup, you are right, I can't.
Can't let go and can't pull this dead load.
Do me a favor and just run over me.
I've helped a lot of people in a tough spot with free housing, food,
loans [ Which I know from experience, are "gifts".]
9 times out of ten, I wind up with shit on my shoes, taking a week to just
clean up after them, literally by the multiple truck load and paying bills
they snuck in on me.
Yes, some people are truly helpless...but most are con artists that have
come to believe their own con and call that sincerity...and they vote,
intimidate and manipulate you with your healthy sense of guilt.
As it stands, I can opt out by refusing services and not pay.
I do have Health Insurance, with a $5,000 deductible..$1,200 a year and
rising.
I keep an account with at least $5,000 in it...not a " Health Savings
"account as the paperwork is more onerous than the benefits from doing it.
Soon, I'll have to go back to being a hermit to opt out of the scam.
..like, burn down my house so no one can move in to leave a mess and go
live with the bears.
Bears are honest. At least you *know* they'll kill you if you feed them
and don't pretend otherwise.
A "true democracy" is a cannibal.
When it runs out of other people to eat, it eats itself until PEOPLE get
scarce enough to value themselves...by no other choice.
America is NOT a democracy, or at least, wasn't supposed to be... for
darned good reason.
Like the rail bum said to the middle class man: " I have nothing, but at
least I didn't have to bust my ass to get it"
Reply: "My 25 year old kids still live at my home and they've invited
their buddies over to stay. If I were only *just* broke....I too could have
nothing rather than the less than nothing I work for "
$ 11 trillion in debt sez it all...soon to be, at least, 4 times that.
Forced sharing is extortion.
..doesn't matter at this point.
If you don't have it, you CAN'T share it, force or not.
..we already don't have it.
This year, the FED has resorted to creating paper promises that can't be
kept.
But so has nearly everyone else, so Faith abides, for now.
Well, here's your "ordinary day to day" hanging by a thread.
That Faith runs on oil and don't look now..Iran is the key that will lock
the door.
If Iran rises and Iran sets the price, oil goes up.
If Iran falls, oil goes up even more when Russia sets the price.
Chavez may be megalomaniac, but he's not stupid. He's hedging his bets.
The status quo depends on who controls a tiny strip of water.
"Green" energy cannot do the job for the existing populations.......
"Something's gotta give"
GWB said the stakes are high. He didn't say how high, or why.
Remember who his daddy is.
Bob Baer, touted as the "spookiest" man on the planet said $400 a barrel /
huge world wide depression, last night.
That's a whole lot of losers and a very few really big winners.
He's been right about a whole lot of things.
Iran, which threw 20,000 unarmed children at Saddam as bullet sponges
follows a philosophy of "One man standing is a win"
..we can always make more people.
If anyone attacks Iran in hopes of getting oil, they lose.
If NO one attacks Iran in hopes of getting oil, they lose.
But Russia is arming Iran and helping them get nukes, hoping *someone* will
attack it, because if someone else does, they win.
China has been sending longer range missiles, through Iran, to the
Palestinians hoping to goad Israel into attacking Iran.
Events have been manipulated to the point that Israel can't afford not to.
Meanwhile, China is arming up with the money they aren't lending the USA
anymore.
If China controls that little strip of water after Iran falls, they can get
all that oil for nothing and not prevent Russia from controlling the price
for the rest of the world.
DEAL???
China was dramatically helped by America during WW2 and doesn't much want
to step on our toes directly, but that doesn't mean they won't step into
where we walk away.
With immanent population reduction focusing in from that many directions,
particularly for Europe [especially England..who has been helping more than
anyone ] if America stops protecting free market supply lines, "Health
Care" is pretty much a distraction for everyone.
France has been smart on one score..Nuke Power. But they are LOADED with
Islamic sleeper cells...."pawns'
Pawns....because those cells are so ignorant, after they wreck everything,
they themselves will starve out leaving France wide open. [Spain? You bet. ]
To Radical Islam [the true to the faith original ].....one **man** left
standing is a win. [ANY woman will do, to make more people ]
But neither Russia nor China will tolerate the original Islam.
The radical originals were raising havoc in Russian cities over educating
Islamic women.....and THAT is why Russia invaded Afghanistan...killing
anybody that looked at them sideways.
"Broken skull de-programming".....works just as well as "Program or get
your skull busted".
Mohammed was a master at that.
So have been the Russians and Chinese.
The utterly dependent, in the face of lack of services, will join or
provide support for an army at the drop of a hat...the only "service" left.
"Crash and control" [.....that sure looks like Obama to me and maybe he
IS on the surviving track...it just won't be an "America we recognize",
that survives. ]
"He's going to **make** you work" [Michelle Obama, speaking to a black
audience ]
..maybe that's why in his latter days GWB said [something like] "Crash the
system to protect the system' [It's too late to save it, but we can keep
the concept safe. ]
Any army only serves 2 purposes.
Protect the wealth you have access to through trade.
and/or
Take wealth from some one else...stealing.
When you have a war and no money, it's fought by fodder.
To volunteer to BE fodder, takes a heap of desperation.
..coming right up at the end of faith.
Ode
At 09:36 PM 9/5/2009 +0100, you wrote:
Well I live in the UK and am damn glad we have health care here! I don't
care who gets treated on my money as long as I do. I know that I or any
member of my family can go to any doctor or hospital and be treated. I'm
not bothered about ordinary day to day things but if you have an accident
like my son did, then you are treated straight away. I also don't agree
with people who run the system down as we have always had excellent
treatment when needed. dee
On 5 Sep 2009, at 21:17, Indi wrote:
On Sat, Sep 05, 2009 at 03:07:34PM -0400, Ode Coyote wrote:
If it's public, you pay for it.. used or not.
Ode
I'll run my own life, thank you very much, and I don't care whether I live
in a country with universal health or private, because I won't use it.
Period.
Thora
And if it's private you'll either pay for it or be tragically sorry you
didn't
or couldn't if you have an accident that leaves you needing medical
attention.
If only we could be sure of such things... But of course, we can't.
A Dirty Harry quote comes to mind: "you've got to ask yourself one question:
Do I feel lucky? Well, do ya, punk?". ;)
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