Thanks Cyndi, the more I learn the better I'll be able to provide a balanced raw diet. I'm not worried about the chicken part of it as I raise chickens in the backyard. Actually, I would even consider raising chicks for a bite sized meal if anybody thinks that would work. I'd kill them first only so the dog wouldn't learn to do that (and possibly endanger my laying ones). I do feel that greens are important as is a variety.
Thanks. L -----Original Message----- From: cyndiann [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2009 11:59 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: CS>BB on Kelp Lisa wrote: > Hi Dave, > > Thanks for such a detailed description of the diet your feeding your > multitude of dogs. We do not yet have a dog but will have one soon. That > being said I too would like to feed it a raw diet. Can you clarify something > for me? You say chicken quarters from Walmart is what you feed them after > cutting them a bit. Do you include the drumstick and thigh bone too? I was > told that these bones because they are bigger (and weight bearing) that they > may be dangerous to dogs due to splintering etc. Walmart's chicken is enhanced with water, salt and sugar so it's not the best choice to feed to dogs. I look for the natural not enhanced ones. Same thing as far as the > necks go. So I guess I'd like to know whether or not it's the whole thing > (except the neck) that you feed them? There is nothing wrong with feeding necks. Indeed, they are a good size for small dogs and cats too. Or are you leaving parts out? Feed all parts including organ meats, especially liver. I guess > I just don't want to feed our future dog a drumstick only to have to get > lodged in its throat. And as far as a puppy goes...would these [leg] parts > have to be broken down into manageable pieces or do you find that your dogs > don't have any problems either way. Puppies learn fast how to gnaw meat off the bones with no problems. However, feeding a diet heavy on chicken will result in a deficiency in zinc and iron. Dogs should be fed primarily red meats because of that. Ratio should be 80% red meats and 20% poultry and fish. Also, bone to meat ratio is 80% meat, 10% bone and 10% organ meats. It is more satisfying to the dog to be able to chew their meal up so stay clear from ground meats as much as possible. Cyndi > > Thanks. > > Lisa > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Dan Nave [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Friday, November 27, 2009 2:06 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: CS>BB on Kelp > > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: CS>Maximizing Dog Health.....Minimizing cost > Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2007 15:22:06 -0700 > Resent-From: [email protected] > Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2007 18:21:35 -0400 (EDT) > From: Brooks Bradley <[email protected]> > Reply-To: [email protected] > Organization: Lycos. Inc. > To: <[email protected]> > > Having undertaken a nutritional program based upon the Raw Food and > Bones general concept.....for our Orphaned Dog Program population, > about five years ago, we have attempted to maximize nutrition while > holding the direct food expenditures to the lowest acceptable level. I > believe we have achieved an acceptable (for us) circumstance. > > In the beginning of our formal program (circa year 2000), we had 12 > adult dogs in the group. We were feeding them a "high-quality" dry > food ration with vitamin supplements. Additionally, we supplied them > with steamed green and yellow vegetables three times weekly. While > they were healthy, in the general sense, I was not pleased that some > shed hair late and did not present shiny coats of hair. > > After some experimentation we decided to add unprocessed (raw) milk > and raw meat to their diet....while, simultaneously, reducing the > carbohydrate components and increasing the frequency of raw bones > (from twice weekly, to daily). The results were, spectacular, and the > entire group responded with vibrant health displays. Within a short > time our population began to climb, as more "Loving Owners" abandoned > their pets along the road adjoining our farm.....and the population > increased to 16.....along with the attendant support costs. Our > population increased to its present 19 individuals and our food costs > (as have those for the general public) rose quite rapidly to over > $600.00 per month. While certainly not catastrophic, it appeared we > might profitably review our nutritional benefit/cost curve. I found > that the ground meat item was the least cost-effective.....from among > the high-density nutrient components. We were purchasing the 70% lean > X 30% fat,! 5 lb. rolls from Walmart for around $7.00 each and when > factored with the 6 oz. minimum, daily, (for medium, 35 to 40 lb dogs) > and 8 oz+ for the larger (70 lbs +) dogs....we were spending .70 each, > daily, for this component. I had been contemplating utilizing the 10 > lb. bags of fresh chicken quarters > (from Walmart), for some time. I introduced the chicken parts > (one-third of a quarter to each > dog (about 8 ozs weight). As these bags were averaging less than $3.75 > each (37.5 cents per lb).....and the results greatly exceeded my > expectations. Especially so since we were able to eliminate the raw > bones altogether-----with an overall net increase in digestible > protein.....and a cost reduction for this nutritionl element of around > $13.00 per day. > Additionally, the dogs, without exception, prefer the raw chicken (we > do not know why....maybe > the growth-stimulating feedstuff additives in the cowfeed make a > difference to the dogs). > Our present, daily diet, regimen includes: 1.25 cups of a 38% meat > product dry food, 1.5 cups of 70/30 raw milk/homogenized mix, 1/2 cup > cooked oatmeal, 7-to-8 oz raw chicken quarter, 1/4 cup whole fish > (canned product), one large dry dog biscuit, one tablespoon marine > kelp, one tablespoon 5 ppm CS, 1 teaspoon brewers yeast, one One-a-Day > type > vitamin pill (crushed). All of the dogs are in peak health and look > like slick seals. > Our vet bills have diminished from around $3000.00 per year circa 2000 > A.D......to > essentially, nothing in 2007-----primarily (we believe) because of their > diet. > > The principal reason for this diatribe is to try to influence dog > owners on the list to consider substituting the raw chicken quarters > from Walmart (or some economical competitor)......for a major portion > of the carbohydrates being fed their dogs. At a true cost of around 19 > cents per day, per dog.....the nutrient density gain (over "high > quality) is very pronounced......and it is LIVE FOOD. > > Cutting the quarters up is quite easy....especially if one uses a pair > of limb nippers. Just sever the drumstick first, then rotate the > thigh/back section 90% and cut it into two equal sections-----that's > it.....neat, and works fine. Originally, we used a butcher's clever > and cutting block, but the small limb-cutters are immensely more > convenient. > > When one considers the true cost of the cooked, canned pet foods, it > appears (to me) almost criminal to not feed a pet dog some REAL dog > food. They develop such a desire for it they are worse than drug > addicts....ALWAYS fishing out the raw chicken before anything > else....followed by the milk fraction. > > I must take a moment to relate a true story about my oldest son's 17 > year old female chihuahua ("Libby"). December last, she had developed > a fast-growing tumor (tennis ball size, located directly adjacent to > the anus) and was presenting what the vets diagnosed as an inoperable > condition.....given her age, disorder prospects and considering the > enormous costs involved. The decision made to just make her as > comfortable as possible for what appeared a very short time span, > things were to be left for natural resolution. Since Libby had lost > nearly all appetite I suggested they try her on raw chicken > meat. This they did, and for the first two days she did nothing but > examine it, but on the third day she ate a small portion; on the > fourth day she ate a sizeable amount and on the fifth day she consumed > a full portion. Immediately thereafter she developed a ravenous desire > for the raw chicken and this has continued up to this posting.....some > eight months later. The only other modification in her diet was the > addition of one teaspoon of marine kelp. Within > 10 days after starting this simple protocol, her energy level started > to rise quickly and > improvement presented exponentially. The very large tumor mass began > to recede and was completely reduced by May of this year. I do not > propose that the kelp and raw chicken were the miraculous resolution > of this condition, but it did cross my mind. Today, Libby is behaving > like a teenager, trim, jumping up from a flat-footed start into a > high-back overstuffed lounge chair, darting up two full stair-flights > and "ruling the roost" once again. > > I confess, it does seem a miracle. > > Sincerely, Brooks Bradley > ________________________________ > > > -- > The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. > > Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org > > To post, address your message to: [email protected] > > Address Off-Topic messages to: [email protected] > > The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... > > List maintainer: Mike Devour <[email protected]> > > >
