MA: I find you most humorous... So Dick said so an so... His proof cannot be debated, huh?
John On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 2:40 PM, MaryAnn Helland <[email protected]>wrote: > John -- I am sure that Dick is just thrilled that you approve of his post, > and is no doubt composing his letter of gratitude to you at this very > moment. > > For myself, I find your self-congratulatory post piggy-backed onto his very > informative one gratuitous and annoying (and we *are* supposed to think > for ourselves, right? After all, you said so!). Nothing that Dick said in > his post supports your claim that "CS will kill off some of the good > bacteria in the intestines if used daily". If anything, his acknowledgement > that he made silver nitrate and consumed that for years supports the general > claim of this group that EIS, as we make it here, is a very safe product > (insert nod here to the threshhold issue that Mike reminded me of > yesterday). > > If I may -- and I speak only for myself -- you might find yourself a more > valued member of the list here if you would *share* your convictions, rather > than issue edicts, and acknowledge it when something you say proves to be > wrong and/or inadequate. And refrain from belittling people who do not > agree with you. Hopefully, *you're* listening. > Very best regards, > Mary Ann > > ------------------------------ > *From:* John E. Stevens <[email protected]> > *To:* [email protected] > *Sent:* Wed, February 17, 2010 11:45:22 AM > *Subject:* Re: CS>effects of STOPPING EIS? > > Good points, Dick. Adds a lot to what I said originally about being > careful in the use of colloidal silver water. hopefully others are > listening... > > John > > On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 11:22 AM, Richard Goodwin < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> OK, I have been waiting for some outcomes of Dr. visits to write this, and >> while I'm still waiting for certain results, I think this is a good time to >> send out some preliminary information about things that can go wrong with >> the way EIS can be made and/or used. >> >> First, my wife and I started taking EIS made by an acquaintance of our Dr. >> about 3 years ago, to get rid of lyme, with which we had both been >> diagnosed. The treatment was apparently successful after a year or two, all >> lyme symptoms having disappeared. >> >> The EIS this guy made was mostly the approximately the color of tea -- >> light to dark brown. He generally had a mixture of colloidal silver and >> gold, and sometimes mixed in other things. This was for drinking and >> external spraying. He had other stronger stuff, sometimes with copper in >> it, for external spraying or soaking only, not for drinking. >> >> He also made completely clear stuff for infusions, of which we had many in >> the beginning. >> >> He showed me how to make EIS, including a technique he later used whereby >> he arced high voltage between the positive silver electrode and the "soup" >> after it reached a high enough PPM to conduct well. He, and I at his >> suggestion, used an electrophoresis power supply to produce up to 2000 v at >> 200 ma max. This high voltage arcing turned the dark soup completely clear >> after a while, and produced PPMs of 100 or 200 and higher, which we all >> thought was pretty cool. And it worked very well. No colds, flu, flu >> shots, deodorant, and many other great uses for it. >> >> My wife and I continued to take this daily since then, but lately have >> noticed some grayness around her face. She has always taken quite a bit >> more than I have. A while ago Marshall pointed out that I was most likely >> making silver nitrate, and that would not be a good thing to take, so I have >> stopped making that, and am now making the 10-20 PPM EIS with no arcing and >> with low voltage and current. Am also making silver citrate for spraying, >> which seems to work great. >> >> So ... we decided to follow the suggestions for getting rid of the gray >> color. My wife stopped taking EIS a couple of weeks ago, and started taking >> the vitamins and other supplements suggested in several places out there to >> get rid of the gray color. >> >> Almost immediately she became ill with diarrhea. Couldn't keep anything >> in her, and had no appetite for anything anyway. After a week of this, with >> no sign of it getting better, we took her to the local ER, since our Dr is >> out of town for the week. There we talked to an amazingly open-minded and >> understanding AMA-type Dr who was very interested in the EIS concept, and >> was not nasty, sarcastic, or dismissive of it like most of them are. >> >> His take on it, after doing blood and other tests, is that her condition >> is just like what happens when someone is on an antibiotic for a long time, >> then suddenly stops, and the beneficial flora in the gut are all gone, and >> therefore some other infection takes over. The Dr believed that she could >> have any one or more of several infections going on that are causing her >> diarrhea, and he was particularly concerned that C. Difficile might be one >> of them, so he tested explicitly for that as well as others. >> >> The C. Difficile test came back negative, thank goodness. The other test >> results will be available over the next few days. >> >> She generally takes pro-biotics, but hasn't been taking them lately, >> because neither she or I have experienced anything that made us think we >> needed them. >> >> Well now we have. Or at least she has. >> >> The Dr suggested going back on the silver in lieu of giving her some >> standard AMA antibiotic (good Dr!), and to start taking pro-biotics and keep >> that up. She is starting to get better. >> >> We are coming to a couple of conclusions out of all this: >> >> 1. Make the EIS the right way, and don't over indulge in it, and you >> shouldn't turn gray or blue. >> >> 2. Take pro-biotics even if you don't think you need them. A nice fat C. >> Difficile infection is no fun, and in fact can be life threatening. >> >> I'm interested to hear feedback and/or suggestions from the group. >> >> Dick >> >> >> -- >> The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. >> >> Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org >> >> To post, address your message to: [email protected] >> >> Address Off-Topic messages to: [email protected] >> >> The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... >> >> List maintainer: Mike Devour <[email protected]> >> >> >> >
