You can add the citric acid to the CS after the CS is made IF you are making the 20 percent solution. Otherwise the citric acid needs to be added first. The citric acid always needs to be added before making the copper citrate. Sorry if I was unclear on that point.
- Steve N -----Original Message----- From: AnnieBSmythe [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Monday, August 09, 2010 9:54 PM To: [email protected] Subject:Re: CS>copper, silver, citrate solution So you can add the citric acid after the silver and copper are made, and it will still turn out right? Annie On 8/9/2010 11:14 PM, Norton, Steve wrote: > pj, > > I might suggest a simplified approach. Since much of the test > information in the patent was using the copper-silver, citrate solution > at a 20 percent solution, just make the solution at the 20 percent > concentration, which would be 10 ppm silver and 80 ppm copper. To do > that, you could make the ionic silver in your CS generator. Assuming an > ionic content of 85 percent, just make the CS at 12 ppm. Then add the > citric acid to the CS, add the potassium carbonate and use the 9 volt > batteries along with copper electrodes to make the copper citrate. > > As far as using 9 volt batteries, you will need two 9 volt batteries in > series. You can make copper citrate with 9.8 volts. A 9 volt battery > quickly drops to 8 volts in use and so two will give you about 16 volts. > You will need to use alkaline 9 volt batteries if you make the full > strength solution. Carbon-zinc 9 volt batteries just barely have enough > capacity for the 20 percent solution. > > A carbon-zinc battery's capacity is roughly 35 mAH in this application. > An alkaline battery's capacity is 300 to 500 mAH, depending on the brand > used. > (See link below) The capacities assume you use generation currents of > 100 mA or less. > > Here are the approximate mAH needed for the full strength and 20 percent > solutions. > > > > Full strength: > > To make 50 ppm silver in citric acid - 12.5 mAH > To make 400 ppm copper in citric acid - 162 mAH > Total: 165 mAH > > > 20 percent: > > To make 10 ppm silver in citric acid - none (use CS generator) > To make 80 ppm copper in citric acid - 32 mAH > Total: 32 mAH > > > As you can see, carbon-zinc 9 volt batteries only have enough capacity > for the 20 percent solution. Alkaline 9 volt batteries can easily make > the full strength solution. > > - Steve N > > > http://www.powerstream.com/9V-Alkaline-tests.htm > Discharge tests of 9 Volt transistor radio style Batteries > > > -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: <mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe> Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: <mailto:[email protected]> List Owner: Mike Devour <mailto:[email protected]>
