MA

The presence of silver in hair is not indicative that horses are carrying 
harmful  silver loads. Silver deposited in the tissues have been shown to be 
harmless. This is well documented in literature. You are trying to defend 
against a false premise to begin with. I would think a Biochemist would know to 
check the facts first. Silver appears to be unique in this. It is not the same, 
for example, with many essential elements such as selenium. In those instances 
hair analysis can be useful.  
   
On the other side of the arguement, I put a lot of effort into researching what 
is known regarding argryia. Unfortunately there is not enough known. The 
problem is that you cannot monitor the body's functions down to sub cellular 
functions as they occur. But I have not come across anything that supports the 
theory of large particles becomming lodged in the tissues. Metallic silver has 
been found in the tissues but researcher's best guess is that ionic forms of 
silver such as silver nitrate and protein bound silver are reduced to metallic 
silver while in the cell by other substsnces such as ascorbic acid. Silver 
nitrate is well known for giving up metallic silver when acted on by other 
substances and that is one reason to avoid it. I would also avoid MSP for the 
same reason. 

I also spent a lot of effort studying how silver is eliminated from the body 
and that has some relevence to finding silver in hair but I think discussing ot 
would more just muddy the waters and that is not what you need. 

But back to my original point, I think the moderator's conclusion based on her 
hair analysis work is wrong and you are off chasing a red herring. 

I also agree with Marshall that the person from ABL doesn't know what he is 
talking about when he equates ionic silver with large particles. That is so 
bizzare that it boggles the mind. Unforfunately just the fact the he works at 
ABL will give him undeserved credentials in the view of many unschooled in 
silver. 

Regards,
        Steve N

----- Original Message -----
From: MaryAnn Helland [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Friday, October 01, 2010 11:20 AM
To: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: EXTERNAL:Re: :RE: CS>Rebuttal from ABC

Steve -- at this point, the information won't be going to the other list.  The 
moderator has *taken it private* to *protect me from embarrassment* (smile).  
I'll honor her effort by returning the favor.  What I'll do after all is said 
and done, is make a post to the other list summarizing the information that ws 
provided to the moderator -- and I'll try to do that without embarrassing HER.  
So -- your post is just fine for the current purposes.  I didn't like the 
attitude of the writer either -- it's very hard to overcome that 
ignorance/arrogance when you're dealing with someone who believes it.  


As background information -- the moderator is a Biochemist who deals in horse 
and human health issues.  Her original claim was that CS is unsafe to use in 
anything but moderate amounts for a short period of time.  She claims that she 
has had "many" clients whose horses are carrying heavy silver loads from 
extended CS use.  This is determined by hair analysis.  My response was that 
these people are making their CS incorrectly and are producing large-particle 
CS 
which CAN lodge in the body tissues.  Then along comes this guy from ABL who 
says that ionic silver IS large-particle.  This is what I'm trying to respond 
to.

Thanks for your help.
MA



----- Original Message ----
> From: "Norton, Steve" <[email protected]
> 
> MA
> 
> If you want I can tone down my response. I didn't like the attitude of the 
>writer. But he is not the audience you want to reach. The moderator and 
>readers 
>of the other list are and perhaps a lower toned response would be better.
> 
> You will probably never convince the writer. 
> 
> 
> - Steve N
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: MaryAnn Helland [mailto:[email protected]]
> Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2010 09:32 PM
> To: [email protected] <[email protected]>
> Subject: EXTERNAL:Re: :RE: CS>Rebuttal from ABC
> 
> Hi Steve.  LOL -- you got it!  Thanks for your reply -- it was a beaut!!!!!
> MA
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----
> > From: "Norton, Steve" <[email protected]>
> > To: [email protected]
> > Sent: Thu, September 30, 2010 2:55:22 PM
> > Subject: :RE: CS>Rebuttal from ABC
> > 
> > MaryAnn,
> > If you forward my response, please delete my email address. I don't need
> > hate mail from a stranger. I get enough from friends. <g>
> > - Steve
> > 
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