It's the frog effect, James. You put a frog in a pot of cold water and put it on the stove. Frog won't know it's too hot 'til he's cooked.
Sam Earle You're entitled to my opinion. mailto:[email protected] Wednesday, October 13, 1999, 8:48:30 PM, you wrote: > Thanks Marshall, > I posted this to the list several months ago, and was curious why there was > no response. > The FDA is not what most people think; just like the rest of the > "government". You have no doubt heard of the "Codex Alimentarius" (sp?) > Originating from Austria, the source of our current "education" paradigm. > They the New/Old "world order" will make all vitamins and herbal extracts > prescription. Garlic extract is already a controlled substance in Canada. > This stuff is moving forward.... quietly and inexorably. > And, they always use some reasonable issue to ratchet up the iron fist a > notch or two. > James Osbourne Holmes > [email protected] > -----Original Message----- > From: Marshall Dudley [SMTP:[email protected]] > Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 1999 9:00 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: CS>Graph comparison: ppm & conductivity. > He said he was trying to use their digestall, which didn't work worth a > darn. I had been > warned of that before and used the standard manual digestion method. He > said that he had > Hach over to show that he was getting no results when he tested what the > digestall > produced, and to prove that there was indeed some silver in the colloid, he > ran it without > digestion, and lo and behold he got results consistant with the test > results other labs had > given. > So he is not digesting before testing. I plan on trying it today myself. > He spoke a good deal on the Free Mexican Clinic that he is helping fund. > He indicated that > about 75% of the patients get CS and many get only CS at that clinic. He > asked if I had > anything I could donate to the Clinic. I think what he is doing is great. > We spoke a little about the FDA. He dislikes the FDA as much as I do, but > said that he > thinks that the latest ruling is correct and is happy to see it. I don't > agree, I see it > as just one step in a series to deprive Americans of economical, healthy > and risk free > medical alternatives to expensive, non-working and deadly procedures. > Marshall > James Osbourne, Holmes wrote: >> Please relay the results of your conversation with Bruce. I try to call > him sparingly. >> >> James Osbourne Holmes >> [email protected] >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Marshall Dudley [SMTP:[email protected]] >> Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 1999 12:01 PM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: CS>Graph comparison: ppm & conductivity. >> >> I will have to get with Bruce on this. He is the one that put me onto > Hach in >> the first place and at the time was using digestion. The method he used >> required sulfuric acid, and produces silver sulfate which is almost > insoluable, >> so I went back to Hack and they gave me a procedure that uses Nitric Acid > only. >> >> I am calling Bruce now to see if he has changed his procedure. >> >> Marshall >> >> James Osbourne, Holmes wrote: >> >> > If I may interject.... >> > >> > Using the Hach silver chemistry, Bruce found that the digestion > process, >> > which involves all sorts of nasty stuff, produced erratic results with > CS. >> > This was verified by a Hach tech rep. present at Bruce's lab. >> > >> > They decided that the process works reliably without the digestion. > That >> > is the method which I use to measure mg/L-PPM. I think it is also the >> > method used by Bob Berger. Bob, Bruce, and myself have very close > results >> > with the same samples. >> > >> > If someone is doing the Hach test with digestion, can I send you a > sample >> > to see how well they correlate. I will reciprocate with your sample if > you >> > like. >> > >> > I have yet to get an ISE [R&D funding limitations]. I think the > "charge >> > per cluster" theory is probably correct. Has anyone ever discussed > this in >> > detail with an ISE manufacturer? >> > >> > James Osbourne Holmes >> > [email protected] >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: Marshall Dudley [SMTP:[email protected]] >> > Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 1999 9:19 AM >> > To: [email protected] >> > Subject: Re: CS>Graph comparison: ppm & conductivity. >> > >> > Ivan Anderson wrote: >> > >> > > PPM reading was supplied by a silver Ion Selective Electrode. >> > > Water was Purified Water BP and read 1uS before electrolysis. >> > >> > Prior to purchasing our spectrophotometer and silver kit, I check into >> > using a >> > silver ion selective electrode for measuring ppm. I was told that it >> > measures >> > the number of ions (amount of charge) assuming the normal mobility of >> > silver >> > ions, and that silver colloid would not produce a correct measurement > due >> > to >> > there typically being less charge on each particle than the number of > atoms >> > in >> > the particle, and due to the mobility being different than for one ion. >> > >> > To use it properly one has to digest the silver so that you have silver >> > nitrate first, then use the probe on the residual silver nitrate. This > is >> > exactly the same process I have to go through with the > spectrophotometer >> > for >> > ppm measurements. >> > >> > I was wanting to verify that you were indeed digesting the colloidal > silver >> > before using the probe. If so this is a very interesting set of > curves. >> > >> > Thanks, >> > >> > Marshall >> > >> > -- >> > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal > silver. >> > >> > To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: >> > [email protected] -or- [email protected] >> > with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. >> > >> > To post, address your message to: [email protected] >> > >> > List maintainer: Mike Devour <[email protected]>
