Thanks Dee, John and Ode! I am going to have to read that link John send a couple of more times before i might get a better grasp on it though.(pretty tough stuff, especially when english and math skills are lacking) I wonder how that djokic paper's silver citrate mixed with citrate acid water would hold up against electrolysed silver citrate killing pathogens wise. (Considering that what Ode said about "more things going on in electrolysis", which makes sense ) But the Djokic paper and the silver100 product would suggest that non electrolysed silver still packs a massive punch.. If not equal.. But a google search on silver citrate gives very few results, mostly silver nitrate comes up. I was starting to lean towards an experiment with just buying some silver citrate from a chemical company and see how far i got with it, but now Ode got me thinking that i might give the electrolysis another shot.. But not sure how i would know exactly how much ppm silver would be in the product..
Anyways, thanks for contributing and keep the intell coming pls! Op vrijdag 25 maart 2016 heeft Ode Coyote <[email protected]> het volgende geschreven: > A PPM meter will not detect non conductive molecules. > There is more going on in the electrolysis process than just silver and > citric acid [add in mon-atomic oxygen and hydrogen? Silver oxide and > hydroxide? ] and I have not been successful in making an acceptable > citrate product. > > Ode > > On Thu, Mar 24, 2016 at 4:26 PM, Peter Deckers <[email protected] > <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','[email protected]');>> wrote: > >> Anyone? I hope i didn't scare everyone away :P >> >> Op maandag 21 maart 2016 heeft Peter Deckers <[email protected] >> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','[email protected]');>> het volgende >> geschreven: >> >>> Hi everyone, >>> I am a "long time listener and first time caller" here :-)) >>> >>> First of all i want to thank all the experts here helping out the less >>> gifted in the field of chemistry, physics and electronics like me :-) >>> >>> I have been reading as much as i could here involving the subjects i am >>> interested in, but i am afraid i still need some help if possible. >>> >>> I have been suffering over 10 years from multiple extremely resistant >>> forms of skin problems like seborrheic dermatitis and athletes foot to name >>> a few, and tried just about everything on the planet for it. >>> One of the things i have been experimenting with lately is silver >>> citrate. >>> I have multiple silver generators at home, from very small like the >>> silver pulser, to much larger like the silvergen, to a hvac system that >>> also produce gold.(and claims to produce mainly colloids instead of ions) >>> >>> Anyway, i would really like to try and make the "original" silver >>> dihydrate citrate myself, because buying it in the usa is already >>> expensive, but then shipping it to my country would double the costs.. >>> Unfortunately my lvac systems are current limited so the high ppm stuff >>> won't work. (Although the sota silver pulser seems to continue working >>> during extremely high ppm citrate solutions, the numbers dont add up to me. >>> F.e. I started with 3140ppm distilled water/citrate solution, but when i >>> used the silver pulser in that, the ppm didn't increase. >>> Which if i read correctly here is because the silver combines with the >>> citrate to form a new molecule that doesn't increase ppm because the silver >>> isn't and extra ingredient because it combines. >>> But it could also be because my ppm meter was broken (thereafter), but >>> soon i will have my hanna PH/ppm/EC meter repaired so i hope that can help >>> with analysing what is happening. >>> >>> Because the electrolysing of citrate solution seemed a bit challenging >>> to me to know exactly what is happening, i also tried to just make ionic >>> silver with my silvergen and just add citrate afterwards.(if that even >>> works? Because if so why are there somany patents about the electrolysing >>> citric acid method if it would be totally unneccesary?) >>> >>> Again if i calculated correctly, which i am pretty sure i didn't, for my >>> 10ppm silver i would have to add approximately 3ppm citrate in theory, >>> right? (So the new solution would have a 13ppm total) >>> I experimented with all kind of different citrate solutions and although >>> it did seem to help my skin more then silver alone, it wasn't enough.. >>> So that is why i am trying to find the easiest and/or most reliable way >>> to produce the full strenght silver citrate. >>> >>> Another route i was thinking of is to just buy silver citrate and >>> dissolve that in citric acid. >>> But again i am not sure if i understand the math. >>> I read the following here: >>> "Silvercitrate solubility is 0.28gr/liter = 280ppm (this works out to be >>> 58ppm of silver)" >>> I dont understand this because as far as i can find silver citrate has >>> 63% silver content, so i would think 63% of 280ppm would mean 176ppm silver >>> instead of 58ppm) >>> >>> But please ignore all my questions and mistakes if someone could just >>> tell me the best way(s) to produce the exact same as the silverion2400 >>> product, which is supposed to have a MIC against malassezia furfur of 0.25% >>> Does that mean that silverion2400 can be diluted 400 times to still >>> comply with the tested MIC? >>> >>> I apologize for my incoherent and perhaps confusing writing, but i >>> wanted the experts here to see all the things that go on in my mind :-) and >>> the (amature) level i am still on concerning this. >>> >>> Any help would be very much aprreciated! >>> All the best, >>> Peter >>> >>> >>> >
