Polarity swapping helps a lot but adding a stir is still nice. If you're going to get into reducing stabilizing and Cafe you definitely need a stirrer as well as borosilicate beaker and a hot plate.
The Facebook group "colloidal gold and colloidalsilver" is where a bunch of us have been learning from a chemist physiologist teacher in Sweden named Per Dahlin. An automated machine making ionic like the silver puppy isn't what you want to get into all that AgNP & CGold stuff. You need a current regulated simple power supply that you control manually no polarity swap you must torch your oxide back to Elemental silver every 15 or 20 minutes. While the process requires involvement and Direct Control it is versatile. Everything you need to know about the basic science and the Brewing processes are in the files of that group. The setup to have would be a silver puppy Plus a laboratory bench power supply which is about a hundred bucks. Straight ionic CS is used as a preservative part of a blend that keeps lecithin or gelatin from going funky because the Nanna particles are all covered up and can't protect each other. You can make beautiful ionic CS with the NP oriented gear ( allowing precisely controlled and quick production) but it's best for me to brew ionic on a back-Brewer while The AgNP brewer that must be fussed with is in front.
My Facebook friends are running with this commercially and doing great. Ionic and nanoparticle blends are becoming very popular with their customers. Reducing with manuka honey is the latest rage.
On Apr 1, 2017 5:50 AM, Ode Coyote <silverpuppy1...@gmail.com> wrote:
Why no more stirrers:
Magnetic:
Everything is made in China now [ie motors]
Quality control has gone out the window and I just can't get motors that will predictably last even after weeding out 40% of them as obviously defective.
Even the very expensive custom American made motors were only 80% usable
I've redesigned for different motors 8 times now and each time the quality and consistency erodes ....and a stirrer was only needed back when generator output was DC.But it's more personal than that.It hurts my feelings to sell "junk", especially junk you don't need.No amount of stirring will touch the Nearnst Diffusion layer at the electrode surface where things happen on the "Micro" atomic level.
The "Macro" diffusion level is sufficiently handled by natural convection, Brownian Motion and ion velocity.The thermal stirrers heat the water when you don't want the heat.At 20 PPM the solution is in over saturation and ions are more forced into becoming uncharged molecules of silver oxide and hydroxide.Sometimes on a cold day the auto off at 20 uS would predominantly make particles before it reached 20 uS and never shut down.Heating the water helped on that score by raising the saturation point of the water but with every 10 degrees of temperature 3 uS in conductivity is added, so, at 20 uS and 90 deg F water 6 uS was from heat, not silver.Hot water makes ions more chemically reactive.
I had not been able to make EIS at over 120 deg F that didn't oxidize.
[Coffee maker hot plates are too hot]"Back in the day" conductive ion tracks forming using straight DC output was a much worse problem.Now the [Silver 9"] gen shuts down at 10 uS [PPM] where it isn't in over saturation at room temperature and additional PPM can be added simply by programming.
With polarity switching, the ions tracks never form to 'be' disrupted.Best:
Preheat the water to add conductivity without contaminating the water when conductivity is most needed in the absence of silver.
As silver content adds conductivity, the water cools reducing reactivity.odeOn Fri, Mar 31, 2017 at 9:30 PM, Top Dog <rshann@gmail.com> wrote:Unless I missed it someplace it doesn't appear to be an item for sale anymore on the site.-BobOn Mar 31, 2017 9:15 PM, "Victor Cozzetto" <victor.cozzetto@gmail.com> wrote:I strongly recommend the thermal stirrer with the Silverpuppy. Both items are sold on the site. The thermal stirrer gives you the addition of some temperature control, which makes timing more consistent and enables you to produce the CS in colder environments; a must for some people. I've probably setup a dozen people with such, and all work great.VictorWas just reading it on the Silver Puppy site. My only reasoning is just one less piece of equipment to worry about. No other reason really. As I'm not planning on being a power user it's just a simplicity thing but all for making sure I'm creating a quality consistent batch. I'll find the link on the site in a few mins.-BobOn Mar 31, 2017 8:40 PM, "Neville" <one.redfox@hotmail.com> wrote:G'day Bob,
Quite to the contrary. If only making a drinking glass full would be OK, but anything larger by volume needs stirring to keep things moving around whilst brewing. I'll leave it to the experts to explain.
Why do you think it's a plus for not stirring?
N.
From: Top Dog <rshann@gmail.com>
Sent: Saturday, 1 April 2017 9:51 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CS>Final choices of units?Hi all,
Been a long time since I revisited buying a device but am doing so this weekend. Only 2 devices that interest me and that's the Silver Puppy and the SilverTron. Over at that cgs forum there's lots of info. Some conflicting some not. I do like some of the info on the reducing agents to get colloidal silver versus ion silver and found that info interesting.
At any rate my goal really is to get a unit that does a set and forget as much as possibleusing a standard quart Mason jar with ppm's from 10-20.
Just looking for opinions from those that may have either one of those units.
Been a while since looking at the Silver Puppy but appears the consensus is that you don't need to stir the solution as it's being made and looks like a stirrer is not even sold anymore on there. A plus if that really is the case.
Thanks for everyone's opinion.
-Bob
