Hi Bob:
This is interesting, I'm certainly going to investigate further. I'm
glad to see someone with a unique viewpoint.
That said, there is a lot of bad science out there masquerading as good
science.
Do you know what... if any... actual analytical work has been done on
EIS made with his process?
Time kill studies by chance?
~Jason
On 4/1/2017 9:38 AM, bob Larson wrote:
Polarity swapping helps a lot but adding a stir is still nice. If
you're going to get into reducing stabilizing and Cafe you definitely
need a stirrer as well as borosilicate beaker and a hot plate.
The Facebook group "colloidal gold and colloidalsilver" is where a
bunch of us have been learning from a chemist physiologist teacher in
Sweden named Per Dahlin. An automated machine making ionic like the
silver puppy isn't what you want to get into all that AgNP & CGold
stuff. You need a current regulated simple power supply that you
control manually no polarity swap you must torch your oxide back to
Elemental silver every 15 or 20 minutes. While the process requires
involvement and Direct Control it is versatile. Everything you need
to know about the basic science and the Brewing processes are in the
files of that group. The setup to have would be a silver puppy Plus a
laboratory bench power supply which is about a hundred bucks.
Straight ionic CS is used as a preservative part of a blend that
keeps lecithin or gelatin from going funky because the Nanna particles
are all covered up and can't protect each other. You can make
beautiful ionic CS with the NP oriented gear ( allowing precisely
controlled and quick production) but it's best for me to brew ionic on
a back-Brewer while The AgNP brewer that must be fussed with is in front.
My Facebook friends are running with this commercially and doing
great. Ionic and nanoparticle blends are becoming very popular with
their customers. Reducing with manuka honey is the latest rage.
On Apr 1, 2017 5:50 AM, Ode Coyote <silverpuppy1...@gmail.com> wrote:
Why no more stirrers:
Magnetic:
Everything is made in China now [ie motors]
Quality control has gone out the window and I just can't get
motors that will predictably last even after weeding out 40% of
them as obviously defective.
Even the very expensive custom American made motors were only 80%
usable
I've redesigned for different motors 8 times now and each time the
quality and consistency erodes ....and a stirrer was only needed
back when generator output was DC.
But it's more personal than that.
It hurts my feelings to sell "junk", especially junk you don't need.
No amount of stirring will touch the Nearnst Diffusion layer at
the electrode surface where things happen on the "Micro" atomic level.
The "Macro" diffusion level is sufficiently handled by natural
convection, Brownian Motion and ion velocity.
The thermal stirrers heat the water when you don't want the heat.
At 20 PPM the solution is in over saturation and ions are more
forced into becoming uncharged molecules of silver oxide and
hydroxide.
Sometimes on a cold day the auto off at 20 uS would predominantly
make particles before it reached 20 uS and never shut down.
Heating the water helped on that score by raising the saturation
point of the water but with every 10 degrees of temperature 3 uS
in conductivity is added, so, at 20 uS and 90 deg F water 6 uS was
from heat, not silver.
Hot water makes ions more chemically reactive.
I had not been able to make EIS at over 120 deg F that didn't
oxidize.
[Coffee maker hot plates are too hot]
"Back in the day" conductive ion tracks forming using straight DC
output was a much worse problem.
Now the [Silver 9"] gen shuts down at 10 uS [PPM] where it isn't
in over saturation at room temperature and additional PPM can be
added simply by programming.
With polarity switching, the ions tracks never form to 'be' disrupted.
Best:
Preheat the water to add conductivity without contaminating the
water when conductivity is most needed in the absence of silver.
As silver content adds conductivity, the water cools reducing
reactivity.
ode
On Fri, Mar 31, 2017 at 9:30 PM, Top Dog <rsh...@gmail.com
<mailto:rsh...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Unless I missed it someplace it doesn't appear to be an item
for sale anymore on the site.
-Bob
On Mar 31, 2017 9:15 PM, "Victor Cozzetto"
<victor.cozze...@gmail.com <mailto:victor.cozze...@gmail.com>>
wrote:
I strongly recommend the thermal stirrer with the
Silverpuppy. Both items are sold on the site. The thermal
stirrer gives you the addition of some temperature
control, which makes timing more consistent and enables
you to produce the CS in colder environments; a must for
some people. I've probably setup a dozen people with such,
and all work great.
Victor
On Apr 1, 2017, at 9:59, Top Dog <rsh...@gmail.com
<mailto:rsh...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Was just reading it on the Silver Puppy site. My only
reasoning is just one less piece of equipment to worry
about. No other reason really. As I'm not planning on
being a power user it's just a simplicity thing but
all for making sure I'm creating a quality consistent
batch. I'll find the link on the site in a few mins.
-Bob
On Mar 31, 2017 8:40 PM, "Neville"
<one.red...@hotmail.com
<mailto:one.red...@hotmail.com>> wrote:
G'day Bob,
Quite to the contrary. If only making a
drinking glass full would be OK, but anything
larger by volume needs stirring to keep things
moving around whilst brewing. I'll leave it to
the experts to explain.
Why do you think it's a plus for not stirring?
N.
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*From:* Top Dog <rsh...@gmail.com
<mailto:rsh...@gmail.com>>
*Sent:* Saturday, 1 April 2017 9:51 AM
*To:* silver-list@eskimo.com
<mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com>
*Subject:* CS>Final choices of units?
Hi all,
Been a long time since I revisited buying a device
but am doing so this weekend. Only 2 devices that
interest me and that's the Silver Puppy and the
SilverTron. Over at that cgs forum there's lots of
info. Some conflicting some not. I do like some of
the info on the reducing agents to get colloidal
silver versus ion silver and found that info
interesting.
At any rate my goal really is to get a unit that
does a set and forget as much as possible
using a standard quart Mason jar with ppm's from
10-20.
Just looking for opinions from those that may have
either one of those units.
Been a while since looking at the Silver Puppy but
appears the consensus is that you don't need to
stir the solution as it's being made and looks
like a stirrer is not even sold anymore on there.
A plus if that really is the case.
Thanks for everyone's opinion.
-Bob
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