"How does it change your mental outlook if you knew (thought experiment) that Cyndiann was 8 years old? Would an 8 year old cause the whole group to abandon ship? Ask what is the real value of increased moderation and restriction?" If she were my 8-year-old, she would be seeing increasing levels of discipline if her behavior did not change to present her views in a more respectful manner. I happen to have an 8-year-old great-niece that puts this person to shame. The only "increased moderation and restriction" that I have advocated for is exactly that - no invectives and ad hominem attacks. If you disagree, or have information that disputes someone's assertions, present that respectfully. Period. This is all I will say on the subject. If you wish to tolerate her disrespect and attacks, that's your business. I'm done. Hope to see you and Neville over on the new list eventually. You have excellent insights and do good work. Linda On 8/3/2021 11:20 AM, Linda Ellis wrote: Neville, just so I'm sure my motive for leaving this list is clear...... I'm fine with people expressing differing opinions, and truly wish there was more respectful, open debate from different viewpoints on any number of topics. If The Troll were offering RESPECTFUL thoughts on her differing viewpoints, in a manner which stimulated dialogue, I'd be all-in on that. That isn't what's happening with her. She has been asked several times (by Max and me, in particular) to present her thoughts on alternatives that could be helpful in fending off the Wuhan Virus. After all, this is a group that is interested in solutions that are less reliant on the pharmaceutical model that dominates modern medicine these days. She hasn't stepped up with any of that. This is a CS group - has she been experimenting with CS to protect herself or help others? How about herbs? Essential Oils? Vitamins? Other supplements? Any of the numerous electricity-based tools? As I recall, her response to Max when he asked this was that she refused to engage with people like him. Her only response is that we should all bite the bullet and get the shots, and to denigrate and demean those who express skepticism and distrust of the vaccines, despite mounting evidence that we have good reason for concern. That's not even considering that a lot of people in groups such as these are experiencing some medical issues, about which we know nothing, and who may have very legitimate "contraindications" for those shots. Or, they've already suffered at the hands of the Pharmaceutical Model, and are desperately looking for other solutions. The Troll has, to my recollection, chosen to call well-intended people in this group morons, idiots, stupid, and a host of other invectives I don't recall. Nobody in this group deserves these kinds of attacks. Everybody is here for their own reasons; nobody can know what those reasons are; and all deserve to be treated with respect, with disagreements voiced respectfully. You and Max demonstrate how to handle disputes respectfully very well. The Troll has repeatedly been admonished to moderate her tone, but continues to attack and demean. I "tip my hat" in respect for your ability to tolerate this type of behavior. I, for one, have reached my limit. I do hope you'll reconsider and resubscribe to the other list - your views are valuable to all of us. I'm not a moderator over there, so I can't make assurances, but I get the sense that wide-ranging viewpoints will be fine - the line will be drawn at the ad hominem attack lines we've been experiencing here. Linda From: "Neville Munn" <[email protected]> Date: Sun, Aug 1, 2021 8:28 pm To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: CS>Unsubscribe -- why? No worries Linda. In the big wide world of communications, people are going to be pestering other people one way or another at some stage. The reason I won't leave here is for one, I will not be dragged down to someone elses level, and two, because sites end up being like FB, all buddy buddy, friends, a club, everything is controlled, any agenda, and three, I have been here too long, "I live in my own world, they all know me here", so to that end, I just prefer to ignore or delete, everyone has an opinion, or has a voice, right or wrong, that's life, besides, it doesn't hurt to have a disenting voice occasionally, keeps the world going round <g>, and I can use the 'delete' button anytime I choose, I have the control. I joined that other site, but then I unsubscribed the next day, there was no point for me, I would eventually be booted out for one reason or another eventually. At least here people can just delete me or ignore me anyway <g>. From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of Linda Ellis <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, 2 August 2021 12:04 AM To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Subject: Re: CS>Unsubscribe -- why? Speaking only for myself, the problem that I see as unsolvable is, there is no way to correct the situation with the Troll.
