----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, 16 September 2000 01:20 Subject: Re: CS>Forms of Silver that Can be Utililized by the Body
> In a message dated 9/15/00 6:45:50 AM EST, [email protected] writes: > > << Roger > > I don't recall ever saying that only ionic silver can be effective > against pathogens in the body, even though I believe that is most likely > to be true.. > > Ivan: OK let's stop here because I think if I can get you to explain the > above statement more thoroughly I won't have to muddle through the rest of > your response. I was quite sure your said that in your opinion only ionic > silver can enter cells where it would then be available to destroy pathogens, > and that CS cannot do that. Please straighten me out if I misrepresented what > you have said in the past. If the previous statement is essentially correct, > I have a hard time understanding why the IV administration of CS should do > any better than the oral approach since in both cases the body has to first > convert the CS to the ionic form. Why should the body have a tougher time > doing this for orally ingested CS as opposed the CS administered through an > IV? And for the sake of simplicity lets assume we are holding the CS particle > size constant in both cases; perhaps a relatively poorly formed products of > the 1930's. Roger Oh, okay I see where the confusion lies. Yes, you are right that is essentially what I said, but the fact that the silver is available at all is because has entered the blood stream via the gut. To do that it needs to be ionic. So to be clear... silver needs to be ionic and bound to transporter proteins or certain other chelating compounds to pass through the lining of the gut and enter the blood stream. I wasn't realy commenting on the way silver dissables pathogenic cells, although I believe that it is true that only silver ions can interact with other particles. A poorly designed silver colloid may not present many ions as it passes through the stomach and intestines and therefore is not effective because it is not well absorbed. Such a colloid will undoubtably be much more effective when the full dose is injected directly into the blood stream. Silver metal in a liquid medium will always ionise to some degree in an ongoing process (hence Silverlon works) but that is only of some use when the silver can potentially contact the pathogens it is there to fight, and is not taking the scenic route to the toilet. Another reason that silver metal particles (non ionic) can be effective is in the immune reasponse they can elicit, leukoscytosis, the mobilisation of white blood cells and attendant temperature rise has been found to occur in rabbits injected with not very large doses of silver, and it was believed that it was this response which cured these rabbits of life treatening septicemia. In fact, once in the body it is unlikely that free discrete silver ions can enter cells at all unless complexed with proteins or amino acids (ions cannot penetrate the fatty cell membrane and need assistance or special pores to be admitted). Silver ions dissable bacterium by by bonding to proteins on their cell wall which alters the properties (ability to process fuel) or weakens the wall enough that the cell breaks open. Hope this helps, Ivan. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: [email protected] -or- [email protected] with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: [email protected] Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour <[email protected]>
