----- Original Message -----
From: "Robert Bartell" <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Saturday, 4 November 2000 06:42
Subject: Re: CS>rosemary jacobs


Hey Guys,

My understanding may be a little different and I'll stand to be
corrected, but....

Silver compounds, i.e. silver nitrate, silver acetate, have no reason to
be ingested.  They are NOT colloidal silver and have entirely different
characteristics.  Stability, especially long-term, is an important
aspect of colloidal silver products.  To avoid "fall out", some
companies add a protein or chemical stabilizer, allowing a higher
concentration of silver with a greater level of stability.  (One in
particular is FDA approved) The downside is that most stabilizers bond
to the silver particles and therefore reduce the antimicrobial effect of
the silver.  Such products contain higher levels of total silver to
compensate, and should be taken with caution because in all cases of
silver toxicity, called Argyria (the permanent discoloration of the skin
due to silver deposits), the product in question contained high
concentrations of large particle silver compounded  with stabilizers
such as silver nitrate or silver acetate.

Argyria has never been reported from pure electro-colloidal silver free
of proteins or other stabilizers!

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Hi Robert,
The proteins and stabilisers allow for a concentrated product. As silver
salts and protein complexes are broken apart in the low pH environment
of the stomach, the silver ions are then available for absorption just
as CS would be.

It is the high amount absorbed which overloads the systemic metal
scavenging processes and why large amounts migrate to the tissues of the
skin and other organs and eventually cause Argyria.

The reduced antimicrobial action of silver complexes is most likely only
found in the test tube where the products have not undergone acid
ionisation at stomach pH.
***********

Another advantage of correctly manufactured colloidal silver is that,
with a particle size well below 1 micron, ideally one thousandth of one
micron to fifteen thousandths of one micron in size, a 3 to 5 parts per
million concentration of colloidal silver is unlikely to affect friendly
intestinal bacteria.  Most of it is absorbed into the circulatory
systems of the body (arteries, veins, lymph system) before it gets
there. Such fine particles can freely pass through blood vessels and in
the lymph system pass freely through tissues, including sublingually
through the soft tissues of the mouth, and  including the blood brain
barrier. These microscopically fine particles of silver  damage nothing
vital to the body but are lethal to contacted bacterium, viruses,
yeasts, single celled parasites. Fortunately such have no opportunity to
develop a resistance or immunity to the silver. Following the normal
circulatory paths of the human body these fine particles flush out
completely in about 4 days. The lymph system (immune system) flushes out
the dead debris created by the silver colloid particles and processes
the toxins and wastes through the kidneys and liver.

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This common misconception serves the purpose of those who promote CS
without understanding it. If silver is to pass anywhere is must be in
the form of ions which can attach to natural chelators. It can be
absorbed through all tissues given the right conditions. Fine particles
are more readily ionised.
It has been found that whilst silver will disable bacteria, if it is
removed before bacterial death the some bacterium may revive. There are
bacteria that will emit thiol or sulphur compounds which will bind to
the silver ions and thus the bacteria will survive. There are also
bacteria and molds that live on silver, just take a look at the
silvering of an old mirror. But apart from these freaks of nature silver
kills them all it seems.
******************

Properly prepared electro-colloidal silver contains 99.999% pure silver
particles, .001 of a Micron or slightly larger in size (up to .015 of a
Micron), suspended and separated by their electrical charge, in pure
distilled water with no  salts, any other silver compounds, binding
agents, stabilizers or proteins.

Such prepared electro-colloidal silver is non-toxic and cannot cause
Argyria in any amount.

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Not any amount!
Just any amount that might be safely injested without drowning.
****************

Most of us already know all of this, but if you have to have the
references and bibliography on the above, contact me at
[email protected] and I'll supply you with a reading list that would
constitute a complete college course.

**************
If you have any references that refute my assertions, I would like to
see them. I try to get my facts straight but have been known to put my
foot in it.

Ivan.
**************

----- Original Message -----
From: <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2000 10:00 PM
Subject: Re: CS>rosemary jacobs


> In a message dated 11/2/00 5:54:28 PM EST, [email protected] writes:
>
> << It is not the type of silver ions that enter the body (compounds,
salts
>  etc.) but the quantity that determines the chance of showing argyria.
>
>  Ivan.
>
>   >>
>
> Ivan: There are people who claim to drink CS by the quart each day.
Why don't
> THEY get agyria? I don't think ANYBODY on this list has ever claimed
to have
> had a problem with it. Why? Just how much would it take to get
argyria? Roger



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