List: Anyone who would like to participate in our Gatorade/CS study, here's what you need to do:
Send $15 and your shipping address to: Bob Berger, System Tech Engineering, 12303 E. 89th Street, Kansas City, MO 64138-5150. You will receive a half gallon of test solution that you will need to dilute. As soon as I get the exact analysis, Bob or I will tell you the proportion of DW and test solution to use to make the correct dilution. Anyone who is suffering from a serious illness should not participate in this study, rather he/she should seek medical assistance as soon as possible. Remember, the money you are paying is to participate in this TEST. You are NOT paying to receive CS. As a matter of fact, half of you will not receive CS at all. By structuring our test this way, I will be able to take into account any placebo effect that may be factored into your performance observations. Please don't discuss your test details, or personal conclusions with anyone. Otherwise, you and/or others could be influenced by such discussions. Feel free to use the test solution on as many people or ailments as you wish, but keep in mind that you will have to maintain a journal for EACH of them, and your test solution may run out before you can reach any conclusions. However, you can order or reorder as much test solution as you think you'll need in half gallon batches @ $15/batch. A far as keeping a journal is concerned, feel free to do it anyway you like in order to answer the following survey questionnaire for EACH PERSON AND/OR AILMENT treated: SURVEY QUESTIONNAIRE For each type of ailment or person treated, please provide SEPARATE answers to the following questions (1) What type of ailment did you treat? (2) Gender and age of person treated. (3) Which one of the two types of CS (CS by itself or CS + Gatorade) worked better than your home made CS for this ailment or person? (4) Did the CS + Gatorade work better that the CS by itself for this ailment or person? There is no exact answer as to WHEN you should send me your completed questionnaire. The more time you have to examine the test solution performance, the more certain you will be of your conclusions, but keep in mind that during the test you may not be using an effective CS prep to treat an ailment. If I had to guess at an answer, I would say that your journal should have 3-6 months of entries before you should try to draw any conclusions, but that's just a guess. Every situation is different. However, there is nothing wrong with sending me your PRELIMINARY conclusions if you're so inclined. Well, that's about it. If you see some glaring omission or error, feel free to let me know. Roger Subj: Re: Geterade/CS Test Plans Date: 6/24/01 7:49:57 AM EST From: [email protected] (Robert L. Berger) To: [email protected] Roger; OK make it $15.00 and ship start July 1. "Ole Bob" Participants [email protected] (Robert L. Berger) [email protected] (Roger Altman) [email protected] (William Van Stockum) [email protected] (Ed Kasper) [email protected] (Dottie Glenn) [email protected] (Steve Radcliff) [email protected] (Nina Silver, Ph.D.) [email protected] (Jules) [email protected](Jacqui Sinatra) [email protected] (Lynda Khula) [email protected] (Solar) [email protected](Allen) [email protected] (Arthur Rambo) [email protected](Terri) [email protected] (D.W. Coombs) [email protected] (Grant) -- may need financial assistance [email protected] (MARIANO DELISE) The Experimental Plan That doesn't sound arrogant at all, just a damn good suggestion. Another advantage of you being the supplier is that you have experience with using H2O2 to decrease any remaining silver particulate down to practically zero. Perhaps to further simplify our test, you could supply only 100% ionic silver, so folks could use it straight as one prep, and mix it with 2:1 with Gatorade as the other prep. That way we would be comparing only 2 types of preps. This approach would greatly simplify the interpretation of the results. I received it. Now it only remains to decide what to make. 15+ ppm is easy. That would allow a 3/1 reduction. A 2 liter bottle would be a lot less to ship as a gallon package is about 10 pounds. Bob: To maximize consistency, and minimize cost, why not accumulate your INDIVIDUAL HVAC CS batches into one large container (assuming you have such an animal with a spigot on the bottom). Then you could eliminate any remaining particulate silver with H2O2. (BTW, this step is VERY, VERY important, otherwise Frank Key will be able to say that since no excess H2O2 was present -- and Bob, you're going to need a tiny excess of H2O2 to insure that NO SILVER PARTICULATE REMAINS -- that there is a real possibility that a small amount of silver particulate was present which did all the germicidal work). After that, you could do A ONE TIME analysis of the entire batch for total silver. Doing it this way would ensure that practically everyone would be getting exactly the same CS, and your chemical costs would be reduced to pennies per participant. What do you think? Roger Instructions to Participants Please don't discuss test details, or your personal conclusions with anyone. Otherwise, others could be influenced by what you say. Keep in mind that the test solution you have received may NOT contain any CS at all. This strategy is used as an internal control to eliminate the "placebo" effect. Feel free to use the test solution on as many people as you wish, but keep in mind that you will have to maintain a journal for EACH of them, and your test solution supply my run out before you can reach any conclusions. However, you can order as much test solution as you need. Survey Questionnaire The questionnaire will have four basic questions to be answered: (1) What type of ailment did you treat (for each type of ailment treated, please provide a SEPARATE answer to the remaining questions). (2) Who was treated, and how old was the person? (3) Which one of the two types of CS (CS by itself or CS + Gatorade) worked better than your home made CS for this ailment. (4) Did the CS + Gatorade work better that the CS by itself for this ailment? Additional Data Taking Keep a journal on your computer so you can send it to me when you are done. I recommend the following observations should be included in your journal: Statistical Analysis Procedure: Divide the results into two comparable groups. *Group I will be made up of DW subgroup which will be compared to the CS only subgroup. *Group II will be made up of DW + Gatorade subgroup which will be compared to CS + Gatorade subgroup. Questionaire: Each of these subgroups will be asked three questions: (1) Was the CS alone that you received better or equal to your home brewed CS? (2) Was the CS you received that was mixed with Gatorade equal to or better than your home brewed CS? (3) Was the CS you received that was mixed with Gatorade equal to or better than then the same CS alone. Statistical Analysis: Three separate Chi Square analyses should allow us to detect which form of CS is performing best. 1) CS Alone. Run a Chi Square using the "% Better or Equal" value from the DW alone as the "Expected" in the Chi Square equation, and the "% Better or Equal" value from the CS alone as the "Observed" in the Chi Square equation. 2) CS + Gatorade. Run a Chi Square using the "% Better or Equal" value from the DW + Gatorade as the "Expected" in the Chi Square equation, and the "% Better or Equal" value from the CS + Gatorade as the "Observed" in the Chi Square equation. 3) CS + Gatorade vs. CS Alone. Run a Chi Square using the "% Better or Equal" value from the [CS alone - DW alone] as the "Expected" in the Chi Square equation, and the "% Better or Equal" value from the [(CS + Gatorade) - (DW + Gatorade)] as the "Observed" in the Chi Square equation. The Estimated Cost per Participant Subj: Re: Gaterade/CS Test Plans Date: 6/22/01 1:06:23 PM EST From: [email protected] (Robert L. Berger) To: [email protected] Hi Roger; I enjoyed our conversation this morning. Data to date: Shipper is $1.45 Postage 6# to Ca. is $8.50 priority mail and about $7.50 for regular mail. DW is $0.66/ gal. Testing chemicals for both test is about $2.50 By using 2 liter cola bottles they generally are free, unless we so many orders that I have to buy some $1.00 pop and dump it. Consider 6 gallon lots of CS that is 14 two liter bottles; the raw cost of the CS is $0.46/ 2 L. Six gallon of Dw is $3.96 of $0.28/ 2 L. Hardly worth worrying about. The boxing and postage will be about $10.00. "Ole Bob" [email protected] wrote: > Bob: Nice speaking with you. It just occurred to me that if 50% of > participants receive DW + a tiny amount of H2O2, won't this fact cut down on > prep costs per person? Why not calculate you prep cost for DW + H2O2, and > your prep cost for CS + H2O2, then average them together. EVERY person should > pay the average prep cost plus shipping. How does that sound? Roger A 2 gallon lot costs DW $1.3 0, Dry ice $1.20+, testing $4.00 (cost of Chemicals), but package and ship probably run about $10.00. I haven't priced the cartons or postage yet. I will contact a local bottler to see if I can get 2 liter bottles and caps. "Ole Bob". Estimate of Total Cost per Participant: $1.30 + $1.20 +$0.25 (assume 16 participants) + $10.00 = $12.75 Background My plan would be to use enough H2O2 in a given home made brew to remove all particulate silver. The procedure given below should work. I would start with food grade 35% H2O2 and dilute it down 3%. As far as how much to use, try this test that I think Ol' Bob developed. Get a hold of a small zip lock plastic bag and put in, say, an ounce of CS. Add 0.5 ml of your 3% H2O2 prep. Watch for bubbles. When bubbles stop forming, add another 0.5 ml. Repeat this procedure until no further bubbles appear after another 0.5 ml of H2O2 is added. The number of mls added (minus the last addition of 3% H2O2) is the ratio per ounce of YOUR CS that you need, BUT you have to make a consistent CS brew for this idea to work. Next, I would divide this silver particulate free "CS" into two parts. One part should be mixed as follows: dilute 2 oz of this product with 4 oz. of Gatorade (see below for more details of Brook's CS-Gatorade cocktail). Finally, I would wait until I or someone I know got sick. I would use one of three types of preps to treat the disease: PREP#1 - My CS brew "as is". PREP#2 - The H2O2 treated prep with NO Gatorade. PREP#3 - THe H2O2 treated prep WITH Gatorade. Keep a journal of the results, and repeat this procedure as often as possible for each of these preps, always writing down your observations. Roger Roger; This smay sound a bit arrogant, but I believe that my HVAC ARC CO2 method is one of the more consistant methods for making nearly total ionic CS. Besides I have the spect. to test it, and if desired I will get a pH meter. So, if desired I would supply the CS required. "Ole Bob" >> Bob: That doesn't sound arrogant at all, just a damn good suggestion. Another advantage of you being the supplier is that you have experience with using H2O2 to decrease any remaining silver particulate down to practically zero. Perhaps to further simplify our test, you could supply only 100% ionic silver, so folks could use it straight as one prep, and mix it with 2:1 with Gatorade as the other prep. That way we would be comparing only 2 types of preps. This approach would greatly simplify the interpretation of the results. SO HOW ABOUT IT FOLKS. HOW MANY OF YOU VOLUNTEER TO PARTICIPATE IN THIS STUDY? Bob, how much CS do you think would be sufficient to ship to people, a gallon, or so? I think it would be appropriate that those who wish to participate to agree to send you enough money to cover all your cost (shipping, containers, any labels, packing materials, etc.). To keep shipping cost down, I think we would have to limit participation to the contiguous USA and Canada. I'm glad you're in the middle of the country so that shipping costs will be kept to a minimum. Another idea to keep things as simple as possible, how about everyone agreeing to contribute the same regardless where they live. That way, you won't have to waste time figuring individual shipping costs. Another possibility to substantially reduce shipping costs is to have you make, say, a 30 PPM brew, and let us reduce it down to 5. BTW, if you underestimate your costs, there is no reason we couldn't have a second round of contributions. Well, it's time to get off my soapbox and let others contribute their ideas. Roger << Roger; I received it. Now it only remains to decide what to make. 15+ ppm is easy. That would allow a 3/1 reduction. A 2 liter bottle would be a lot less to ship as a gallon package is about 10 pounds. A 2 gallon lot costs DW $1.3 0, Dry ice $1.20+, testing $4.00 (cost of Chemicals), but package and ship probably run about $10.00. I haven't priced the cartons or postage yet. I will contacta local bottler to see if I can get 2 liter bottles andcaps. "Ole Bob" >> Subj: Re: CS>Re:IV--USEFUL ALTERNATIVE Date: 10/24/00 11:29:55 PM EST From: [email protected] (BROOKS BRADLEY) Reply-to: [email protected] To: [email protected] To all interested List Members. Some years ago, we found a very useful alternative to IV utilization of CS in human volunteers. By diluting 2 ounces of 5 to 10 ppm CS with approximately 4 ounces of water and mixing the proper amount of powdered gatorade (or any balanced fluid electrolyte) you will have a solutilon that will be absorbed, approximately, 10 times as fast as ordinary tap water. There are ancillary components which could be added, in extreme cases, but this simple protocol will give absorption/transport speeds nearing IV infusions administered in extremity veins. Canulating veins and arteries is not as danger-free as one might....at first blush....imagine. Amateurish efforts have resulted in many unfortunate results----not the least of which are air embolisms. Please do not regard these remarks as pedantic.....I am just concerned over someone attempting something (IV protocols) which may involve serious consequences to their health. Sincerely, Brooks Bradley. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. 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