If someone is capable of getting me samples of CS that have different sized 
particles, which fall in a fairly narrow range, I can make complete 
spectrographs from infrared to uv of the absorption.  I only need a few ml of 
each to make the tests.

Frank?

Marshall

Ode Coyote wrote:

> That's not the element of doubt although the accuracy of TEMs and what they 
> actually see has been disputed on this list.
> The question is how does one maintain the same small sized particle inherent 
> in a colorless CS while darkening the color of the CS as it gets stronger?
> Does color have anything to do with particle size or doesn't it?
> If it does, you can't have it both ways.
> If it doesn't, well...OK.
>
>      Or is it "It contains silver
>
> particles so small that they measure only .001 microns in size."...meaning 
> that it also contains larger particles?
> <<<<
>
> If that is the complete statement, then, you could have it both ways but 
> something is being left unsaid that makes nonsense out of the other 
> statements so far as claiming something special.
> >>>>
> Even in brown CS mud, not all of the particles will be boulder [an 
> exaggeration] sized. But if a CS consisting of particles no larger than .001 
> microns has a color, then, a clear colorless CS must have even smaller 
> particles...so, .001 microns max ain't nothin special.
> <<<<
> You say that color is important yet make no mention of what the color of your 
> CS is.
> "True Electro-Colloidal Process" What's different about that other than an 
> inferance that there are "un-true" electro-colloidal processes?
> What would an un-true process be?
> Isn't plain old 3 nines and two wires a true electro-colloidal process?
> Ken
>
> Why does the Post Office have a sign that tells you that you can get " Up to 
> $50 Cash back with the use of your credit card"? It's an intentional use of 
> language to mislead by ommission and diversion! The money you get is yours 
> and never became theirs to 'give back'.
> You can make a $50 cash withdrawal. That's not the same as 'cash back'.
>
> <<<<
>
> Sorry listers...
> misleading sales gimmik doublespeak burns my butt.
> Ken
> >>>>
>
> >>>>
>
> <<<<
>
> At 09:39 AM 8/1/01 -0400, you wrote:
> >>>>
>
>      If you wish to see what this product looks like by TEM (electron 
> microscopy) you'll find it as
>      Product Z on the "Images of Silver" page on our website....
>
>           -----Original Message-----
>           From: Ode Coyote [mailto:[email protected]]
>           Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2001 9:18 AM
>           To: [email protected]
>           Subject: Re: CS>Where to find 50 ppm......
>
>           "Colloidal Silver by Innovative Natural Products® is produced with 
> Advanced
>           Liquid Technology(tm), using a true Electro-Colloidal Process.
>
>           It contains silver
>           particles so small that they measure only .001 microns in size.
>
>           The tiny size of the
>           particles combined with the proper electrical charge makes 
> Innovative NaturalProducts® Colloidal Silver the best product on the market 
> today.
>           We do extensive laboratory research that includes measuring PPM 
> (parts per
>           million), effectiveness and safety.
>
>           The color of Colloidal Silver is also important.
>           The darker the solution, the more potent the concentration of 
> silver, as proven in
>           labratory testing.
>
>           >From our research we have determined that many companies
>           simply do not know how to manufacture Colloidal Silver properly. As 
> a result, they
>           are only able to produce Colloidal Silver at low concentrations. 
> Innovative Natural
>           Products Colloidal Silver does not loose its charge and stays 
> suspended in the
>           solution at any concentration."
>           
> ################################################################################
>           The two above statement are in conflict with each other.
>
>           The color of the sol has to do with the particle size, not the 
> concentration. But, as the concentration increases, generally so does the 
> particle size, hue and depth of color. [something that nearly anyone can make 
> being touted as something special and better than the rest?]
>
>           Also, the color will stick onto the sides of a glass container in 
> time leaving the CS liquid clear and colorless [have photo]...indicating that 
> perhaps the larger colored particles don't have much or any charge? This 
> colored deposit is instantly dissolved with hydrogen peroxide. Adding a 
> little H2O2 to colored CS will clear the color as well.
>
>           The real trick is to make 50 + PPM that has no color. [indicating 
> small particles].
>           I have a lab report from the NC state DNR water lab that says 45.5 
> PPM ... pale yellow [was clear when samples were made but turned pale yellow 
> over night]
>           Ole Bob says nonsense.
>           Well, I dunno. Since the NC state water lab doesn't do any testing 
> for the public, I have been unable to get the figures re tested. [Samples 
> done "under the table" via a friend that works there] They did require a 
> minimum 8 oz sample.
>           Of samples run for different lengths of time..the shortest run was 
> weakest and the longest run was weaker than the middle run time showing that 
> longer is not necessarily stronger. [plate out]
>           Don't know what method of testing they used. [precipitate/dry, then 
> weigh?]
>
>           So I go with Ole Bobs lower test figures so as to not exaggerate.
>
>           Ken
>
>           At 11:39 AM 7/31/01 -0500, you wrote:
>           >>>>
>
>                The bottle says:
>
>                True Electro-Colloidal Process
>                Pure Silver (50ppm)
>                Advanced Liquid Technology
>                made by Innovative Natural Products, Escondido, CA
>                Low Potency: 50 ppm
>                Other Ingredients: Water
>                1-800-893-7467 M-F 9-4 PST
>                <http://www.inovnatprod.com>www.inovnatprod.com
>
>                     Look for the words "Mild silver protien" and /or any sort 
> of additive in any commercial CS claiming over 20 PPM.
>                     Much commercial CS is produced by a chemical precipitate 
> method. That s NOT electro- colloidal silver. It is usually bright yellow.
>                     Ken
>
>                     At 10:17 PM 7/30/01 -0500, you wrote:
>                     >>>>
>
>                          At Whole Foods in Dallas, TX. 50 ppm is called Low 
> Potency. There are also medium
>                          and high potencies by the same company.
>
>                                    Does 2 teaspoons of 50 ppm equal 1 
> teaspoon of 100 ppm?
>
>                                    Yes, but where are you going to find 100 
> ppm CS or even 50 ppm???
>
>                               I would be very carefull of it!!
>
>                               "Ole Bob"
>
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