Basically yes, water is H20.
 How those molecules orient or disorient themselves is another matter.
Quite probably, any electromagnetic influence would change that and another
would change it again or back...maybe even thought waves or prayer. Maybe
water can have memory..but it got it from somewhere and needs to be
reminded. Memory is a structured form of energy.  I've even heard of
inducing a molecular spin on water molecules via using fractal
fountains...but a water molecule, itself, is still that molecule or it's
not water.

"If water even has a structure"  that's not an environmentally induced one.
Sure, water has a "crystal" structure, but what that structure is depends
on other factors that changes with those factors.

 What happens to water structure when saline is introduced...stomach
acid... It changes doesn't it?  Adding acid heats it up too...and not by
convection from the outside.
 It could contain isotopes of the componant atoms and some water does
[heavy water for one] but I doubt that a microwave could change the
subatomic structure. It's not a neutron beam. I do believe it would split
into hydrogen and oxygen first?...and no longer be water.

 So, what happens when that molecular frictional energy dissipates [it
cools off] and environmental forces that structured the water ,before hand,
takes over again?
 I never 'nuked' water that forgot how to freeze afterwards. The cold must
have reminded it how to freeze. Maybe it could learn how to make only clear
ice.  Would it do it twice?

 Also, I would suggest that conduction is also a molecular frictional
transferrance of energy with the only difference being the direction of
travel  and that water structures are breaking apart, making different
combinations and re forming all the time depending on the environment present.

 In other words, a microwave will not make water a static structure in it's
absence any more than anything else will.

 Now, cooking with microwaves could induce chemical changes in foods deeper
in the food whereas pretty much the same thing happens but mostly on the
surface of convection oven or fried foods simply because the heat is not as
evenly distributed. 
 But, Contrary to popular belief, microwaves do not heat food from the
inside out as the cold center of my bowl of spagetti will attest...as the
outside boils. Obviously, any mass tends to shield the microwaves, some
masses work better than others. [glass doesn't do all that well, water
does...watch your eyes]  It 'might' penetrate food a little deeper than a
flame but conduction [molecular friction exciting other molecules] still
does the job.
 Shortwaves are more easily blocked and reflected than long waves which is
why radar works. What does infra red radiation do? Penetrate mass and
excite molecules, right? Lots of that in an regular oven.
 I'd be more worried about what the local FM station is doing at 100,000
megawatts.

 Remember the dude with the choclate bar in his pocket?  His heart didn't
melt first.

 I think we can agree that uncooked foods are basically better for
us..unless they give us diseases and parasites.
 I prefer my goose cooked. I wonder if I could focus an FM station
transmission on a flock of geese?  
Ken


At 08:22 AM 10/14/01 -0400, you wrote:
>Ode Coyote said:
>“No one makes CS with a microwave...they just warm the
>water by exciting the molecules. A flame does the same
>thing in a different way. Water is an H2O molecule. If
>it gets disrupted, it goes to hydrogen and oxygen gas.
>That's about all it CAN do. Electro colloidal silver
>making makes hydrogen and oxygen gas. It 'disrupts'
>the water. If a microwave somehow dis-organizes water
>[unstructures it's liquid crystal orientation...if
>water even has one], wouldn't applying a DC current
>re-organize it to whatever orientation that it would
>have afterwards anyway?”
>
>Terry responds:
>Are you saying only one dynamic exists when
>“disrupting” water? Or that it is not possible to
>“disrupt” water in an unsafe way? “unstructures it's
>liquid crystal orientation...if water even has one”
>sounds like you feel water is just water, nothing
>complex about that. This ignores the fascinating
>research data about water structure, energy, ‘memory’,
>clustering, etc., that is available. Early microwave
>ovens were called “Radiation ovens”, a term that was
>changed because of its negative marketing effect (the
>same as calling it Canola instead of Rape seed). The
>idea that microwaves merely “disrupt” water and
>neither add anything nor detract anything from the
>water is an idea without science behind it. Water is
>heated in a nuclear reactor with radiation, also, but
>we wouldn’t consider that water to be safe, because we
>know that we wouldn’t end up with only water, but
>water that had been changed, with something added. To
>quote from the microwave article, “Of all the natural
>substances -- which are polar -- the oxygen of water
>molecules reacts most sensitively. This is how
>microwave cooking heat is generated -- friction from
>this violence in water molecules. Structures of
>molecules are torn apart, molecules are forcefully
>deformed, called structural isomerism, and thus become
>impaired in quality. This is contrary to conventional
>heating of food where heat transfers convectionally
>from without to within.”
>
>Look here to get an insight into water’s complexity:
>http://www.sbu.ac.uk/water/
>
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