Hello Jason, and list, Not one to sit idle during good conversation, please let me interject my proverbial $0.02!
Tuesday, March 19, 2002, 9:48:15 PM, you wrote: AJ> Craig: AJ> I'm the last one who would want to knock Frank Key's work. He makes an AJ> excellent particle silver. I've personally learned a TON from him. But if AJ> he states that's going to do anything for cancer, I'd like to know the AJ> reasoning. Two very good reasons why CS may be beneficial to someone with cancer. First, it has been shown by many sources, that humans tend to get cancer many, many times in life. The immune system tends to deal with it before it gets too far out of hand. So, a healthy immune system is a good defense to cancer (a point which I think very few would debate). So, if one were to take CS, I feel it would, if nothing else, help to unload the immune system from some of its day-to-day housekeeping tasks. Things like low-grade, continual infections from poor dental work, and general every day exposure to bacteria and virii found everywhere. The second reason that CS may be beneficial is covered in the article "A New Germ Theory", which is available online, and is a MUST READ. Here is a small quote from the article. "H. pylori, the ulcer pathogen, confers a sixfold greater risk of stomach cancer, and accounts for at least half of all stomach cancers. Also, the lymphoid tissue of the stomach can produce a low-grade gastric lymphoma under the influence of this bacterium. Early reports indicate that the lymphoma is cured in 50 percent of cases by resolving the H. pylori infection -- which may mark the first time in medical history that cancer has been cured with an antibiotic." Wait a minute. That's pretty important. Read it again. What it says is that EARLY REPORTS INDICATE THAT STOMACH LYMPHOMA IS CURED IN 50% OF THE CASES BY ELIMINATING THE HELIOBACTER PYLORI INFECTION WITH ANTIBIOTICS!!! I highly urge everyone to go read this article, in full! It can be viewed at..... http://www.theatlantic.com/issues/99feb/germs.htm AJ> Cancer is negatively charged. So how is the particle AJ> silver going to effect the cancer? Are you assuming that CS ONLY works by the charge it carries? If so, please cite your references. AJ> The silver particle supporters talk about ionic silver as if it's a done AJ> deal that all ionic silver is converted to silver chloride in the body. AJ> They are the ONLY ones to do so. I've never met a silver particle supporter AJ> / ant-ion promoter ( exclusively silver particles ) that either didn't have AJ> a financial interest, or were parroting those who do have a financial AJ> interest. The above statement is incorrect. Even Frank Key himself DOES NOT discount the benefits of ionic silver! If you would like, I can direct you to his website so that you can read this firsthand. The only statement Frank makes is that HE BELIEVES that when CS is INGESTED, only the particles make it into the bloodstream. This is not the pro particle/anti ion argument that you make it sound like. On his website he clearly states conditions that he feels ions would be preferable to particles. AJ> Furthermore, while there is some anecdotal evidence to suggest that AJ> colloidal silver can have an impact on cancer, there is also anecdotal AJ> evidence that suggests it does not. This likely means that in some AJ> situations CS use can work, and in others, it doesn't. This suggests that AJ> colloidal silver use is an excellent ADDITION to a full natural ( and/or AJ> allopathic ) treatment protocol. I totally agree with the above statement. AJ> No matter how hard I try, I can't see particle silver doing much for cancer. AJ> I can't identify a method of action. I've seen situations where a AJ> negatively charged substance has impacted cancer, but it was a GREAT deal AJ> more of the substance, to the point where there is a generation of an AJ> electromagnetic field, to do so. HOWEVER, I could be wrong. I'd be more AJ> than open to hearing a theory on particle silver action on tumors. My own AJ> research into cancer and silver has just begun. Just because a method of action can't be identified doesn't mean that something isn't taking place. AJ> My single point is that you don't have to rely exclusively on one side or AJ> the other. Until clinical evidence demonstrates facts, all the chemistry AJ> theories in the world mean little more than a starting place for study. AJ> Science has not changed that much, in its method of operation, over the last AJ> few hundred years... Remember, at one time, scientists first looked through AJ> a microscope and announced to the world that they SAW a little person in AJ> sperm. AJ> I plan, hopefully within the foreseeable future, to enlist the assistance of AJ> a nonbiased organic chemist to fully address the issue, or at least make the AJ> best attempt to do so. AJ> But you should know: it has been proven that ionic silver CAN plate onto AJ> organs. This is an undisputed fact, documented by Petering in the 70's ( I AJ> have not seen the actual studies ), who was considered a reputable AJ> scientist. While this was demonstrated by the use of ionic silver AJ> compounds, it was still ionic silver. If the ionic silver was converted to AJ> silver chloride or other compound, no organ plating would be possible - at AJ> least, that is my thinking on the subject. SO, the ionic silver made it AJ> through the stomach/or/bloodstream, to the organ, at which time, for AJ> whatever reason, it was still ionic. Then, it plated onto the organ. I would have to see the study. Besides, there is a great difference between ingesting silver ions in water at a very low concentration, and massive amounts of, say, silver nitrate. While he may have documented this, what was the concentration of silver required to do this (in milligrams per kilogram of body weight)? AJ> Anyone truly honest would say: We don't know. There is not enough AJ> evidence. AGREED!!!!!!! Anyhow, this is NOT meant as a pissing contest! I have just added my views, and made a slight correction to the ion/particle statement. Everyone is invited to join in, in a CIVILIZED mannor please! Regards, Solar -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: [email protected] -or- [email protected] with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: [email protected] Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour <[email protected]>
