Don, I appreciate your candour on this subject. However, you seem to have been a little blinded by the promise of colloidal silver, much like the people you now consider diehards and fervent believers. You sound a little like a reformed smoker ;-)
Many of us on this list take the CS propaganda with a grain of salt and a groan, and do not believe it to be the panacea of all ills, but rather as just another tool in the shed. You have found CS wanting in some areas, and so properly took other approaches, but there is no doubt that CS does work in many areas as evidenced by many testimonials. It is particularly helpful in respiratory infections, even CS sprayed by an atomiser and breathed in has had good results, in my experience. Adding transport and solvent adjuncts to the solution, and ensuring the finest droplet size can help resolve the most intractable conditions, as has been reported. Of course, I am talking about human experimenters here, and I do wonder how one can get a bird or animal to breath in a CS mist in such a way as to bypass the air filtering mechanisms so that the CS can be deposited at the infection site. Even if this can be achieved, it is my experience that some fungal infections are the most unresponsive to colloidal silver, probably due to the nature of the growth (grows in air spaces without tissue invasion) and the nature of the cell (eukaryote), and it is here that a solvent such as DMSO can drive the CS into the fungal mass (a detergent/oil mixture may be effective also). A good that your testimony has provided, is a reminder that there is a lot of misinformation and rubbish available, and that one needs to choose their information sources carefully. Thanks for that. Regards Ivan. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Tuesday, 8 October 2002 5:01 p.m. To: [email protected] Subject: Re: CS>Re: CS and protozoa Hi James, First, before I answer the questions as best I can I want to get something off my chest! Please indulge me a bit? The events I have given here regarding my research using CS in animals and birds has elicited the reactions I expected from a great many diehards who are so fervent in believing that CS is the end all to modern mans medical problems that they will not give in to any scientific proof whatsoever! So be it! I wanted to be a total convert also once upon a time but my personal drive always leads me to want to prove it to myself without just swallowing everything one reads on the net! I fortunately had the means to do this recently and I was not happy with the results but I am convinced that they are accurate and to the best of my knowledge followed many of the printed protocols that are so commonly handed out on the net as well as in books etc. What amazes me now is all of a sudden so many are telling me after the fact, that I must not have done the experiments right or used the CS correctly or didn't know how to make it etc etc. Nonsense, I have followed the instructions and gone ! the second mile to do so! Do I doubt that CS is effective at all? No, I know it works in some cases, I have had it work on some things myself. What I do resent is that all of a sudden my poopooing CS effectiveness has drawn out the minions of believers who have never tested it really other then anecdotally! Hi Don, Did any of the tests using CS against lung infections include CS and MSM or DMSO nebulized with O2 and inhaled? >>>>>>>>> James, why now is it necessary to add all these things to make it effective? Why don't we see all these things in lists published elsewhere where accounts of the wonderful effectiveness of CS alone is written about? Not being hostile just wondering why it is when the CS doesn't live up to muster all of a sudden a million other reasons for its failure are thrown out? The answer is no. The CS was used in a medical grade nebulisor and was given repeatedly to birds with severe to mild Aspergillosis infections in the lungs. To no avail! According to Dr. Bart A. Flick, in extensive tests, no bacteria was found that withstood CS in even very dilute solutions. One would assume they tried it against the most common pathogens, but not necessarily so. >>>>>>>>>>> In vivo perhaps not? In Vitro on a plate I can understand this. As I think you suggested before, it might be effective on contact however, many testimonials do not specify this anywhere else? Usually a miraculous cure is reported from just ingesting the CS. Regarding: "It plainly doesn't work on Isospora or Eimeria ( Coccidiosis species) despite what you may have read." And, "we have found it to be absolutely useless used on Upper respiratory conditions involving E.coli and other bacteria. Salmonella infections of the trachea and Intestinal tract, and the list goes on." Is more detail available about how you came to that conclusion? Are there specific studies? >>>>>>>>>> Just to demonstrate. We had a group of neonatal parrots being handfed with a souplike formula of nutritious foods appropriate for this purpose. I asked our vets to perform bacterial studies using approved methods for collecting, growing and treating any bacterial organisms that showed up in these birds. The swabs were made from the throats and cloacas of several birds. Bacteria in the form of E.Coli, Klebsiella, Pseudomonas, Salmonella were all found. The birds were each given undiluted 10PPM CS from Silvergen machine produced batches. The Cs was dosed from sterile syringes four times a day prior to feeding the birds. After a three week period tests were again performed to see the effectiveness of the CS. None was noted, in fact many bacteria were now in even greater amounts. No arrest whatsoever was seen! Could you briefly describe what Isospora or Eimeria ( Coccidosis species) are and what diseases they cause, the frequency of occurrence, and the conventional treatment? >>>>>>>>>> Both are classic forms of Coccidia. Coccidia are found throughout the world in hundreds of forms generally falling under these two groups. Disease is often demonstrated when these Protozoan proliferate in the intestines to the point that they cause acute bleeding and sloughing of the mucosal lining of the intestinal tract. This is accomplished when the populations reach such high numbers that their tiny but irritating bodies irritate the villi of the intestines, sort of like what you would envision sand particles doing between your toes if not removed during a long walk. Both forms of Coccidia can proliferate at amazing speed and its poorly understood why they do this. It seems stress is a direct cue to them to reproduce like crazy? Amprol as suggested as well as a host of other antibiotic type meds will work depending on sensitivities. Sulfas often exhibit fast cure rates again depending on the specific organism. Thanks in advance for sharing your information. Your more than welcome! Don -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: [email protected] Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour <[email protected]>
