--- Ode Coyote <[email protected]> wrote: > > Persnally, I wouldn't recommend ozonating your > CS. It will probably > oxidize the ions and make the CS come out brown or > black. Silver oxides > are pretty much inert. > ken > > At 01:43 PM 4/10/2003 -0400, you wrote: > >check this website out. it shows a ozonizer > generator. i just have to find > >out how to make one or buy one. i remember reading > about someone on this > >list who has an ozonizer. do you think you can help > me? > > > > > ><http://www.waronaids.com/Becks-Ozone-Diag.asp>http://www.waronaids.com/Becks-Ozone-Diag.asp Hydrogen Peroxide & Ozone is a $4.00 pamplet I picked up at a health store states the following; Note that ozone has a half life of about 45 minutes so you cannot make up a days supply in advance. The Becks ozone URL you supplied probably falls under that category. Ozone can be created also by a high voltage arc. However with all the talk about nitrous oxides being formed by arcs, I dont see why that could be considered a good method for making ozone to be bubbled through water.
A different method of creating ozone is to use a ozone bulb. You can smell the ozone coming off the bulb. But the bulb emits UV harmful to the eye. It is a UV bulb that uses a quartz crystal as the plasma container so that the UV will pass through that material. (apparently ordinary glass stops UV?) The Ellis water device uses such a bulb, where here are his URL's http://www.johnellis.com/ http://www.johnellis.com/fs_main.htm Ellis does not tell you his method or that he uses this bulb in his process, but he claims his "energized" water lasts for quite a long time. After reading the ozone pamplet, I became dubious. But there is also another aspect here. Ellis uses the bulb in an enclosed chamber above where steam goes through the distilled water tube. In other words he is not specifically ozonating water, he is ozonating the steam that becomes distilled water. ( Ellis doesnt tell you that either) So how can he state his ozonated water lasts so long? Well the water molecule has what is called a bonding angle of the two hydrogen molecules. He claims that his water gets an increased phase angle. Perhaps it is possible that condensing steam going through a strong UV light might recondense with a changed bonding angle. Then the ozone may eventually evaporate out, but the ozone bulb has changed the bonding angle of the water. However other people also say that structured water like this can be obtained by merely funnelling water through a magnetic field. Still others claim that a North magnetic pole is beneficial. This same ozone pamplet claims the following; "Place a gallon of ozonated water on the north pole, (negative polarity) side of a magnet. Let it sit for about 8 hours at room temp, then refrigerate it. The ozone converts to oxygen which remains in the water. The water aquires a smooth and pleasant taste. The magnetic field alters the structure of the water so the cells absorb it rapidly and it is quickly excreted by the kidneys" Again I was dubious. If I cant verify something by testing, it seems like hearsay. However last summer I used a magnet and funnel for a 100 gallon tank I used for garden irrigation. Afterwards a DC voltage could be read by meter from the water, and this remained for many days. A much smaller dc voltage is also recorded from energizing this Ellis water by a siphon hose passing it through neodymiums to a tub holding the magnetised water... Here are some teslafy jpegs that may not be accesible to non yahoo email members but I include them nevertheless. DC Voltage Measurement of Water Vortex with ceramic magnets across funnel cone opening showing .64 DC volts potential between top and bottom of container. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/teslafy/files/WAT/Dsc00253.jpg DC Voltage Measurement Of .58 volts on Filled Tank, this voltage stayed for many days, indicating the water might somehow hold a stored charge. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/teslafy/files/WAT/Dsc00254.jpg Ellis device; Ozone Bulb Removed From Chamber http://groups.yahoo.com/group/teslafy/files/WAT/Dsc00248.jpg This ellis machine belongs to my brother, so I asked him to bring me some distilled water from the machine. He made it from his well water. The distilled was inferior, almost twice as conductive as Wallmarts. However mistakes can be made making distilled from his machine, so I asked him to bring it over, and making the distilled from city tap water I found it to be very clean, giving conductivity readings better than Wallmarts distilled. I was able to make readings of capacity from the ellis water, ( insulated plate method) that showed his water was about 1 to 2 % more capacitive then our city water. Better models with higher capacity and reduced plate distances to show and test for capacity showed a 5 to 7 % difference. So who knows perhaps this phase angle business is legitimate. Here is some material on the ellis machine I have formerly sent to other discussion groups; I was using his distilled ozonated water to make colloidal silver water with higher voltage AC (60 - 80 volts)some while ago, but I really didnt know what I was doing then, as low voltage DC is the way to go. It is easy for mistakes to happen when using the ellis machine to produce distilled water, for if a vapor lock developes on the line that also dispenses what he calls energized tap water, then the steam chamber will flood and you end up with tap water getting mixed with your distilled water, and this is a real no go, if you then make CS with that water, since city water has clorine in it, and one must not have any chlorine products in CS, or it becomes silver chloride, (I think). Anyways I havent been able to investigate his product again, till I borrow my brothers machine again. I make about 30 gallons when I borrow the machine, mixing both tap and distilled products together, after making enough distilled to experiment with, and I drink the mixed water everyday. BUT I think his claims are a little overblown. I think he does achieve what they call a phase angle shift in the water molecule, but this is practically impossible for an amateur like myself to measure. I did get to the point where I seemed to be able to measure an increased capacity with his water. I would not advise the purchase of this machine. (very expensive at 1700 dollars) Instead I would recomend obtaining an Ozone bulb, and rigging up your own kitchen powered steam distillery, passing the steam over a bulb chamber. It is dangerous to look at these bulbs I have been told, they emit some kind of arc light or something, ( Ultraviolet range?) Incidentally Ellis says NOTHING about his ozone bulb process at his site, or otherwise folks might just obtain the bulb themselves and save over a 1000 dollars by making a homemade distillery process. I have refrained from making CS from his distilled water, but later if any tests show significant differences, I will note them to list. I have made it a couple of times that way with low voltage DC, and didnt note any difference right away. I did notice that the AC method, ( which is useless and dangerous anyways) made a blackish tint on the coin, vs the Gray tint aquired with Wallmart DW. To conclude, I see nothing wrong with making the CS over a North magnetic pole, since other commentators have said this causes a water structure change. Since the 1.22 ma current limited process I use takes 8 to 10 hours to obtain a quadrupling of initially measured current by battery test,and also the fact that I am now making it with multiple cells in parallel, I think I might try adding a ordinary blacklight on the process, to mimic the UV bulb that ellis uses. Recently I went to an even longer process of some 12 hours, with the current limited to a even smaller value of 1.08 ma. I was pleasantly surprised to find that the water could have the same conductivity, yet not appear so much with the white/grey cloudiness, in fact it seemed almost clear, and yet quite conductive! This seems to be indicative of a smaller colloid size, from what I ascertain from http://www.silvergen.com/ppm.htm Thanx for clueing me into this great site folks, as I plan to order a PWT from them tommorrow. Sincerely Experimental HDN ===== Tesla Research Group; Pioneering the Applications of Interphasal Resonances http://groups.yahoo.com/group/teslafy/ __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more http://tax.yahoo.com -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: [email protected] Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour <[email protected]>
