Frank Key wrote:

> Bob wrote:
>
> >
> > When one has a solution that contains positive ions they try desperately
> to
> > avoid each other, mutual repulsion. On occasion several individual ions
> will
> > agglomerate into a larger one and the PPM as measured by a
> spectrophotometer
> > will show a reduction, even though the total amount of silver is in
> > solution.
> >
> How have you determined the occurrence of  "On occasion several individual
> ions will
> agglomerate into a larger one ".
>
> At the sub-nanometer size of ions, the repulsive force of the ions is over
> one hundred thousand G-forces which virtually assures that the ions will
> never get close to each other. The closer they get, the higher the repulsive
> force becomes.
>
> What do you think would overcome mutual repulsion to allow ions to come
> together?
>

The simple fact that they do.  Silver leaves the anode as ions and if you check
CS made by the electrolytic method, once the ions get to 5 ppm or higher a
significant of particles are made by the aggregation of the ions.

100,000 G force is not much when you start with the weight of a silver ion.

If you have two ions that are .1 nanometer apart and moving at the rate of an
inch a second towards each other from Browning movement, they would have to stop
movement in .05 nanometer each.

.5 inch/second/39 inches/meter = .013 meter.second
G = acceleration of 10 meters^2 per second

distance = speed*time
speed = acceleration*time
distance traveled = acceleration*time^2/2

acceleration = 100,000*10 = 1,000,000 meters/second^2
.013 meter/second will stop in .000000013 seconds with that deceleration rate.
Distance travelled in that time at .013 meter/second is 1.69X10^-10 meters =
.169 nanometer which is 3 times the distance needed for them to aggregate.

Marshall


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