Mike
I think what's missing here is that most of the particles that do
form...that don't from while in production, form hours and days AFTER the
process has been completed.
Personally, I want 'some' particles because it's said that particles do
different things than ions in different applications and do no harm. This
is a matter of philosophy.
The trick is to make small ones and it doesn't really matter 'when' they
form as long as they stay small.
If the CS is quite strong, some particles are bound to form no matter how
slow the process is simply because it's a super saturated solution. If the
ions are well hydrated, they'll be and remain small. Proper hydration
depends on relative water circulation and ion production rates per square
inch of electrode. If you circulate the water vigerously, you can increase
the ion production rate on a given electrode size [use higher
current] But, if the water is circulated too vigerously, you get energetic
collisions with the electrodes and deposit buildups.
Every setup that considers all the factors involved has it's own "sweet
spot". Your sweet spot is huge, but very slow...or the generator must be
very big.
My mechanical stir generators had a variable speed stirrer that was too
complicated to operate for the average person who couldn't get the hang of
just what the sweet spot should look like.
And I just didn't have the language skills to convey that vision to
people who don't or can't comprehend the process.
So, I quit and went very simple.
No frills, minimal skills. [with an option to go beyond that if desired]
Going very very slowly is safe..but the results, if done right, are
pretty much the same. An ion is an ion the world around.
If there are enough of them in a given space at a given temperature ,
particles will form sooner or later.
There are many ways to do the same thing right and many more ways to do it
wrong.
"Done right" is the tricky part when dealing with MR/MS average person
and it has to be incorporated into an easy to understand package that's
easy to handle and doesn't take so long as to make people pull their hair out.
Mike, you're an exception to the rule. You actually have a clue.
But there are other realities 'out there' where many people don't have
one and just want to plug and play with something that doesn't cost a
fortune, look like Frankenstein made it and does it easily in a reasonable
amount of time.
Ode
At 04:32 PM 6/13/2003 -0400, you wrote:
url: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/m60176.html
Re: CS>$$$ perpectives
From: Trem
Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 12:31:40
Hi Trem,
Thanks for taking the time to carefully review my post. I know we all
started using the same kind of system, so everyone is used to the same
result. But I was very surprised to find what happens at much lower
current density.
When does your system go into current limiting?
At 30 ma and 22.5 sq. in. you are running at 30/22.5 = 1.33 mA/ sq. in.
That is very close to what I used to use.
So your process maintains a fairly high voltage across the cell for much
of the brew time, and the current limiting doesn't start right away.
These are ideal conditions for the formation of particles. Running at
much lower current density (~100uA/sq. in) doesn't produce them for the
same number of Coulombs transferred.
But until we can get a good handle on measuring ppm consistently, this
won't mean much to you.
Best Regards,
Mike Monett
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