Regarding the dangers of IV CS: would these risks be mitigated at all by intramuscular injections, or by sub-cutaneous injection? Jason?
If not, might not B. Bradley's reported method of widespread skin coverage with a CS/DMSO mixture by useful in a hospital setting? Patients are typically naked but for the hospital robe, and there would thus be a large area of readily accessible skin for spraying. . . . JBB Jason Eaton wrote: > > Hi Trem: > > It's a no-brainer for you and I truly. We don't have medical licenses! > > It's not that distilled water is toxic... It's only a matter of shock. If > a solution is not properly buffered when injected, the fluid changes can > cause shock. If the distilled water were truly pure, and the drip done > properly, this would, I believe, be an exception and not the rule. The PH > of the sol has to be precise. > > A pyrogen is a substance that enduces an immune system response ( in > particular, it enduces a fever ) when used in the body... I'm not certain > if the term is limited to IV injections only, but FDA standards specify > anything injected must be pyrogen and endotoxin free. > > Endotoxin is bacterial cell matter ( I'm sure there's a better and more > official way to describe the term ). It is not enough that a substance be > free of living bacteria, it must be free of all bacterial matter. Even > small amounts of endotoxin injected directly into the blood stream can have > consequences. > > This means that if the CS has come in contact with air, it is not likely to > be endotoxin free. > > The reason these things are in place: It's too easy to make a mistake > otherwise. We should consider and learn the lesson that Hudson learned, > when he and an MD killed a person by injecting contaminated monoatomic gold > into a patient. > > Best Regards, > > Jason > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Trem" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 7:19 PM > Subject: Re: CS>Re: [sillver_list] Re: CS>Re: Nebulizing CS for SARS Redux > > > Hi Jason, > > > > As I said earlier....am I missing something. Thanks for pointing out the > > reason it isn't a no brainer. Remember, I'm just a designer and not a > > physician. Although if it was an animal I owned, I'd probably try it > since > > the critter would probably be a goner if something wasn't tried. Too bad > > they don't have any animals with SARS to try it on. That would produce > some > > definitive results just as trying it on a human would. > > > > The thing in your post that bothers me is this. Why is distilled water > > poisonous if is composed of H20 and has no impurities? It would be pure > by > > definition if distilled or deionized wouldn't it? Or is it that a small > > amount of water is too much for the body to assimilate? I don't think so > > since it is used in injections all the time. > > > > What is a pyrogen? And why would that be in properly distilled water? > > > > Of course silver is incredibly potent. That's the reason for using it. > But > > as Jim just pointed out, the lethal dose is 3.8 grams. I'm talking about > > using tenths or hundredths of milligrams, not grams. > > > > Regards, > > > > Trem > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Jason Eaton" <[email protected]> > > To: <[email protected]> > > Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 7:03 PM > > Subject: Re: CS>Re: [sillver_list] Re: CS>Re: Nebulizing CS for SARS Redux > > > > > > > Trem: > > > > > > There are quite a few factors you are not accounting for: > > > > > > 1. Distilled water injected into the bloodstream can cause shock > leading > > to > > > death. The Sol must be titrated properly; it must be prepared properly. > > > > > > 2. A product that is not certified pyrogen free can easily cause death > in > > > someone who is already sick. It is not enough that a sol be sterile, it > > > cannot have any endotoxin or any substances that may induce a immune > > > response. > > > > > > 3. Silver injected into the bloodstream is incredibly potent. If an MD > > > does not have the experience in this, hesitation can certainly be > > > understandable. > > > > > > 4. Any of the above, if done by an MD, may easily constitute criminal > > > malpractice. In the US, such an MD without proper justification could > > > easily do federal time. > > > > > > Best Regards, > > > > > > Jason > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Trem" <[email protected]> > > > To: <[email protected]> > > > Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 6:17 PM > > > Subject: CS>Re: [sillver_list] Re: CS>Re: Nebulizing CS for SARS Redux > > > > > > > > > > Hi Catherine, > > > > > > > > I may be missing something here. If so, please excuse me. If > deionized > > > or > > > > distilled water is used in injections and silver is benign, why is it > > not > > > a > > > > no brainer to inject properly made CS intravenously as a trial > protocol? > > > It > > > > seems that it would be immediately known to the casual observer if the > > > > patient was getting any better since silver works so quickly. It also > > > seems > > > > to me the blood titer would show a decrease in SARS almost immediately > > > which > > > > would be the definitive answer. If one used a mix of standard CS > which > > is > > > > normally composed of 70-90% ions and the remainder being colloids, it > > > would > > > > cover the bases of which is effective since both would be circulating > in > > > the > > > > system. It wouldn't matter which did the job of they were to see a > > > decrease > > > > in viral load and/or the patient responded favorably. > > > > > > > > Mikes idea of using predominantly ionic silver which his process seems > > to > > > > produce doesn't carry as much weight with me as he seems to think it > > does. > > > > An ion is an ion and the ions he produces cannot be any different than > > an > > > > ion any device produces. The major difference can only be the ratio > of > > > ions > > > > to particles and the size of the particles. If the mix is made using > a > > > good > > > > process, it will always be crystal clear indicating the colloids are > > > within > > > > the small range of being colorless. > > > > > > > > As Bob Lee once pointed out there are about 1.41252 X 10+18 atoms in > one > > > > teaspoon of CS made to 20+ PPM. I would think it wouldn't take too > much > > > in > > > > an intravenous solution to see some dramatic results. > > > > > > > > And let's remember, an IV of distilled water isn't going to do any > > damage > > > so > > > > why wouldn't someone try this just to see if it works? Or as I said > > > > earlier, is there something I missed. > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > > > Trem > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I became involved with this group and actually had the opportunity > > to > > > > > present CS to them during a conference call. At that time, my > > thoughts > > > > were > > > > > running along the lines of nebulizing. > > > > > > > > > > Since then, they've considered oral (very difficult because most > > > > patients > > > > > are too ill to drink) and IV. They are really skeptical about the > > > latter > > > > > because I can't produce enough material that speaks of efficacy with > > > this. > > > > > > > > > >> Regards, > > > > > Catherine > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal > > silver. > > > > > > > > > > Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: > http://silverlist.org > > > > > > > > > > To post, address your message to: [email protected] > > > > > > > > > > Silver-list archive: > > http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > > > > > > > > > > List maintainer: Mike Devour <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
