You can make the color lighter but dilution won't make it go away. Once you make a larger particle, the only thing that will break it up is H2O2. [Using H2O2 is a whole other class of weirdness.]
The relationship of ion content and particle formation is not linear. The more ions in a space, the more likely that more ions will form into particles. So, if it's 80% ionic at 24 uS, at 30 uS it may only be 70% ionic and at 40 uS it may be 50% ionic and you actually have 80 or more PPM CS.
At 20PPM, the PWT will read about 17-18 uS with the fudge factor of 1.2 for 20 PPM CS. At a meter reading of 20 uS you'd expect that to be 24 PPM but it's probably more like 30 PPM total silver. The meters don't resister particles..nor does any auto off or other conductivity monitering circuitry. It's like counting apples to see how many oranges you have.
The stronger you make the CS, the more particles will form in that small space and the more 'likely' their close proximity will make them agglomerate into larger particles which give the color..especially if there are trace elements in the water that help particles form larger crystals in storage.
Generators that have no current controls and/or use too high a current density make the larger particles 'right now' as well as possibly later on. Stirring helps prevent that even without controlling the current up to a point.
If stirring is too slow or non existant, localized regions of concentration form in the water and agglomeration accelerates. If stirring is too fast you get particle collisions on the electrodes and the grey fuzzies build up on them.
The bigger the batch, the less effective stirring is unless you design for that batch size. [Which is why big batch generators are so expensive]
Use a small batch generator to make a gallon, you get some problems that can be overcome with a lot of attention...for hours and hours and hours. Use a big batch generator to make a pint and you come across other problems.
As you get stronger CS, the more iffy the particle size issue becomes..iffy..because even 100+ PPM can be made and be 'reasonably' stable IF everything else is just right. BUT, change one element [stir rate, current, electrode size, electrode spacing, batch size, water quality and temperature etc] in the process and everything else changes too.
That said, any 'pale' color indicates the presence of a vast majority of the colorless smallest possible particles.
It doesn't mean that you made only the larger ones. It means you only made a few of them and the CS is OK to use. It could be better, but it's still OK.
Since the meter only registers ions, you made more of them too and no ion is bigger or smaller than another ion.
Since there are no dosing standards that make any sense at all and it's extremely difficult to come to harm, intuition plays a big part in how much of what to use. If it seems strong..use less. Dose for effect.
Sure, you can get numbers with meters and laboratories, but in all 'practical' applications, they don't mean much...nor do they always agree. [Actually, I have yet to find any that do without accepting a rather large range of error.]
I seems that in the CS field, everything works within a variable range and nothing can get completely nailed down.
'This' may work better than 'that', then we disagree on how much is better while it ALL works sufficiently well in any practical sense.
On this list, I think the only things we can completely agree upon is..don't use salt..do use distilled water.
If you like what you make, use it. If you don't, make something else. Then, here's how to make something else...or " I believe I gotta secret, you have to pay for it cause I ain't talking"
A while back I got into a discussion with someone who was certain he had a system that was better and easier/cheaper to build..in theory. Well, I gave it a try and theory didn't match reality but he kept insisting that I was a crook, told lies and was going into production to prove it.
My response?
OK, do it. But be prepared to not tell the whole truth about anything...since no one can nail it down, the slightest little thing changes it accordingly and even the best that science has to offer gives varied results.
If you think you know what it's all about..show us all up. DO IT!
No show yet.
I wonder if he tried and gave up...or was just all talk and theory.
Ode
At 07:15 PM 7/31/2003 EDT, you wrote:
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Hi, Just made a half of a gallon of CS with my generator and left it too long and I have 24ppm according to my PWT meter and it is slightly amber instead of the clear that I usually make. My question could I add a little of my distilled water to the CS until it was clear? Wouldn't this still be good CS?<<<<
Thanks, Mary H.
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