----- Original Message -----
From: <mailto:[email protected]>Nenah Sylver
To: <mailto:[email protected]>[email protected]
Sent: Sunday, October 05, 2003 5:04 AM
Subject: Re: CS>Additives to CS production...
> -----Original Message-----
> From: M. G. Devour [<mailto:[email protected]>mailto:[email protected]]
> Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2003 3:31 PM
> To: <mailto:[email protected]>[email protected]
> Subject: CS>Additives to CS production...
>
> To Nenah and others discussing this:
>
> ...Back in the early days we were taught to use a "pinch" of salt (NaCl)
> or a drop or two of salt solution in our brew vessels as a "starter" to
> get the process going more quickly. Baking soda was also a suggested
> alternative.
>
> The result was a process that worked at high current and very rapidly,
> producing large particles that often settled out after a few days or
> weeks. In only took a few minutes to produce a batch, and your
> electrodes never had a chance to collect any "fluff." The recipes you
> found online commonly stated that you would get about "1ppm per
> minute."
>
> It was quite exciting to watch, in fact, with all the bubbling and
> whisps of stuff coming off the electrodes.
>
> A lot of people used this method for a long time, and some still do. It
> was the first process I learned, and I used it for a year or two. It
> worked and was part and parcel of the popularization of Colloidal
> Silver in the modern era.
>
> Generally, people started moving towards using only distilled water
> when they began examining the particle size issue.
>
> There was some concern that the larger particles presented an increased
> risk of argyria, though that effect was never demonstrated. (Of course,
> now there's Stan, the Senate candidate.)
>
> There was also concern that the use of a "starter" produced other
> compounds (like silver chloride or carbonate), at least in the early
> stages of the process, that could be harmful in and of themselves. This
> was never proved to be a real concern, given the low toxicity and
> concentration of the likely by-products. (Except in Stan's case, of
> course! <sigh>)
>
> Nonetheless, people started working to understand the process in pure
> distilled water, leading to countless experiments in current limiting,
> other voltage ranges, AC vs. DC, polarity switching, and so on.
>
> All this is somewhat apart from the issue of pH. Adding buffers to the
> CS *after* production will still effect the ionic portion, likely
> leading to some colorful displays along the way as your silver ions
> precipitate and agglomerate into particles of silver salts.
>
> Certainly worth study. Perhaps a way can be found to balance the pH
> without compromising the silver component?
>
> One other thing I can suggest, if you're interested in the utility of
> these methods, is that *very low* concentrations of production
> additives were never explored to my satisfaction. They *might* prove
> beneficial to ease-of-production and reproduceability with minimal
> impact on safety or effectiveness. Who knows, eh?
>
> For the sake of the newcomers and lurkers, please understand that for
> now, at least, standard practice is to use only distilled water....
>
> Mike D.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Harris" <<mailto:[email protected]>[email protected]>
To: <<mailto:[email protected]>[email protected]>
Cc: "Richard Harris" <<mailto:[email protected]>[email protected]>
Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2003 8:15 PM
Subject: RE: CS>Additives to CS production...
> Thanks Mike,
> This is exactly like I learned how to make CS and I've had no real
problems,
> because I was told at the beginning to only use Steam distilled
water. Some
> suggested adding a pinch of seasalt, or sodium chloride, or baking
soda to
> speed the making. I resolved to add nothing, except a couple ounces
of the
> previous batch, until the process was complete. In recent months,
thanks to
> Jason's observation that adding a little H2O2 to the CS would
increase it's
> effectiveness many fold; so I began adding 5 cc H2O2 per qt, which
gave it a
> taste (not unpleasant)....
> Sincerely,
> Richard Harris, 56 yr FL Pharmacist
Mike and Richard,
Thank you for your input. If I were not concerned about pH, I would simply
continue to make the CS the way I always made it. Now, I will experiment
with
adding much smaller quantities of baking soda to the distilled water to
see if I
can achieve a balance between a desirable pH and CS with a still-small
particle
size.
Just for your information, a friend of mine experimented years ago
adding minute
quantities of salt, and then baking soda, to the water when he was
making CS.
(The sale and soda were in different batches ;) He found that salt
inhibited
the anti-microbial function of his CS, but the soda did not.
Best,
Nenah
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