Mike,
I do not have a link to the 110VDC generator, since I have not though
this one would be useful for the CS with which to saturate filters.  I
do not know why it is I am not getting the milky white dispersion of
which you speak, but I wonder if the particulate material accounting for
the grayness may have something to do with this.  The 55 uS is what was
read by the PWT.

Yes, you're correct that I'm now thinking in terms of making the oxides,
and you're the one who has been enlightening me on this.  I'm only
talking now about the 55 uS in the HVDC generator because I'm surprised
the reading has changed so much.  At one time I had considered
experimenting with this as an alternative for filter saturation.  At
that time it was clear that 26 to 30 ppm was unsuitable, although this
generator may also be unsuitable on the basis that the large amount of
distilled water necessary would make this expensive.

Also, to let you know, upto now we've been saturating with Mexican CS,
presumed to be primarily ionic.  After saturation we dry the filters so
that the silver will convert to the oxide.  Otherwise, as you've pointed
out, in not drying the filters their first use would flush out the ionic
silver.

Since you've asked, to briefly describe the 110DC generator, this is the
system designed by Terry Chamberlain, a sometime participant on this
list.  Aside form the converter, 220AC to 110DC, in our case, this
generator consists of of 1 to 10, four liter containers, in each of
these the electrodes of course.  For this I use 999 wire of 2mm., along
with Canadian maple leaf, 9999 coins.  Also, I should say that the
entire set up is within a glass cabinet, the door of which , when
opened, is wired to unplug the converter.  As I'm sure you're aware,
this is because 110DC is lethal.  Shall I send you a JPEG picture of the
setup?
Regards,
Reid

Mike Monett wrote:
Hi Reid,

  I'm not sure if Ken really said that you could never exceed a ppm of
  26 due to the _inavailability_ of hydroxyl ions.

  The problem is there are _too many_ hydroxyl ions. The hydroxyl ions
  form at  the  cathode when hydrogen ions accept  electrons  and form
  hydrogen gas. Then the hydroxyl ions combine with the silver ions to
  form oxides,  which  limits  the  ppm.  I  posted  the  equations in
  previous replies.

  I'm not  sure if those PPM readings can be relied on.  Those numbers
  really sound strange to me.

  Can you post a link to your description of the 110VDC system?

  If you  are really getting 50 ppm, you can do a simple salt  test to
  verify this.  Pour  about  1 inch in a glass and  add  two  or three
  shakes of salt.

  When the  salt dissolves, the silver ions combine with  the chlorine
  ions to  form  silver chloride, which precipitates  out  as  a white
  solid.

  At 50  ppm, you should get a milky white dispersion similar  to skim
  milk. You should not be able to see any objects behind the glass.

  How did  you arrive at the 50 ppm number? I thought you  were trying
  to make oxides, presumably because they are larger and would  have a
  better chance  of getting trapped in the ceramic. Wouldn't  any ions
  simply wash out when water passes through the filter?

  And what happens if the filter dries out during storage or shipment?
  The ions would convert to oxide anyway as the water evaporated.

Best Regards,

Mike Monett



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