Reality is very, very weird indeed. Unfortunately for those interested in the "margins of reality," the vast majority of the bizarre observations that everyone starts seeing are nonsense, like the homonculus that some researchers used to "see" inside the sperm cells.

It is only the disprovable claims that endure over time that are really interesting, and Tiller offers some of these, as does Dean Radin, Elmer Green, and some others. Backster is new to me and I hope to learn more about him. Thanks.

BTW, I can not help but wonder whether the "fraudulent" fusion experiments some years ago might have been a case of the "conditioning" that Tiller described. I wonder what happened to those scientists who claimed the table-top cold fusion. . . .

Regarding the apparent sudden "widespreading" of once-observed phenomenon. Sheldrake has an interesting hypothesis that might be useful food for thought. His book is "The Hypothesis of Formative Causation" is a worthwhile read.



JBB




On Tuesday, Mar 16, 2004, at 02:05 Asia/Tokyo, Marshall Dudley wrote:

Yes, Cleve Backster proved this back in the late 60's.  Thoughts can
influence experiments significantly. Also what is believed by the majority
of people to a large extent forms the reality of what is possible.

I think the buckyball thing is very telling.  (I am talking about the
buckminister fullerines). They had never been seen, and a chemist published
that they should be one of the most stable forms of carbon.  But much
searching turned up nothing. After many chemists and many experiments, they finally produced a little of it via a vapor deposition method in a vacuum at high tempartures. Well funny thing is that after publishing these results,
then all the chemists suddenly believed that this rare form of carbon
existed, it suddenly started showing up everywhere. Plain old soot contains lots of it, but before the chemists believed it existed, soot always tested
negative for it.

It is as if nature completely overlooked this molecule as possible, and once it realized it should be in the mix for soot, started making it. But it is
even weirder than that, old soot, which initially contained none of it,
started having it as well once the chemists all believed it should be there.

Reality can really be weird sometimes.

Marshall

"Jonathan B. Britten" wrote:

List,

Someone posted links to a group that promotes a method of emotional
therapy.   Dr. Tiller of Stanford was a speaker at one of their
seminars,  and he is well known for scientific research on the
influence of intention on physical reality.

In making colloids and such, it seems to be true that the intention of
the researcher can, literally, have influence on the result.   Tiller
claims that even things such as pH and temperature undergo
demonstrable, repeatable, changes based on the influence of trained
persons.

Some will say this is nonsense,  but Tiller argues that some
experiments "disproven" by independent experts are actually not due to
incompetence or fraud, but rather due to physical influences of the
places in which they were originally conducted.

Tiller has a new book on this;  check amazon.com.

JBB

On Monday, Mar 15, 2004, at 14:12 Asia/Tokyo, Christine Carleton wrote:

Marv,

Good line.

Like the young boy who saw frogs grow their legs back. When he had an accident and lost his leg, he knew no better (under five years old and
had
not gone to school) and he grew his leg back.

The only thing we can't do is what we think we can't do.

The rest is do able.

Christine

From: "Marv Hacker" <[email protected]>
Reply-To: [email protected]
Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 21:42:30 -0600
To: <[email protected]>
Subject: CS>Re: OT> It Couldn't Be Done
Resent-From: [email protected]
Resent-Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 19:50:14 -0800

Thank you!

I also like:  "The one who accomplished it is the one who failed to
realize that he could not do it."

Best regards,
:) Marv


----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim"

IT COULDN'T BE DONE

Somebody said that it couldn't be done,
But he with a chuckle replied
That maybe it couldn't, but he would be one
Who wouldn't say so till he'd tried.

So he buckled right in
with the trace of a grin
on his face. If he worried he hid it.
He started to sing as he tackled the thing
That couldn't be done, and he did it.

Somebody scoffed: Oh, you'll never do that;
At least no one ever has done it;
But he took off his coat and he took off his hat,
And the first thing we knew he'd begun it.

With a lift of his chin and a bit of a grin,
Without any doubting or quiddit,
He started to sing as he tackled the thing
That couldn't be done, and he did it.

There are thousands to tell you it cannot be done,
There are thousands to point out to you, one by one,
The dangers that wait to assail you.

But just buckle in with  a bit of a grin,
Just take off your coat and go to it;
Just start to sing as you tackle the thing
That cannot be done, and you'll do it.

Edgar Guest



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