Mike wrote: > That said, I do have to ask: Why should we expect the silver in the > bloodstream still to be ionic? If it is complexed with something that > the body is using as a transport mechanism, is there any reason to see > it in a test for silver ions?
Perhaps the issue of looking for ionic silver in the bloodstream may stem from the in vitro tests of ionic silver that demonstrate it killing pathogens in the lab. The claims imply that if ionic silver can kill pathogens in a petri dish, it can do the same thing in the bloodstream. The problem is that no one has ever found that silver ions can exist inside the human body. If ionic silver is complexed and circulated with the blood, where is the evidence that would demonstrate the existence of such a mechanism? How does silver get complexed when the first thing it encounters upon ingestion is the stomach acid (HCL)? When ionic silver mixes with HCL it only takes a few seconds to precipitate to silver chloride. Saliva mixed with ionic silver does not prevent the silver chloride precipitation from HCL. Silver chloride is insoluble once formed. Some of it may be absorbed into the bloodstream, but it is not known to have strong antimicrobial properties. In seems much more likely that it is the silver particles, which typically account for about 10% of the total silver in ionic silver products, that are getting into the bloodstream and killing the pathogens. That was also the conclusion of Prof. Ronald Gibbs and others at the University of Delaware when they were doing their investigation. > Does your high-particulate product show up in the bloodstream as ions, > or something else? Does ionic silver end up in the bloodstream, but > just not as free ions available for an ISE measurement? When colloidal silver particles are ingested, silver can be detected in the bloodstream within 15 minutes using atomic absorption/emission, but no silver ions are detectable in the blood using an ISE. For silver particles to be converted into silver ions inside the body would require that something inside the body be capable of ionizing those particles. In theory there is no substance in the body that is capable of ionizing metallic silver. To the best of my knowledge, it has never been demonstrated that metallic silver can be ionized in the body. Hydrochloric acid in the stomach will not effect metallic silver. The acids and other substances that can ionize metallic silver are not found in the body. This group may find it interesting that some silver products on the market have been found to contain little or no silver. See: http://www.silver-colloids.com/Reports/reports.html#results Frank Key ----- Original Message ----- From: "M. G. Devour" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2004 9:27 PM Subject: Re: CS>Detecting Silver In The Blood > Frank writes: > > My point is that if it is ionic silver, why can't an ISE measure their > > presence? Atomic absorption/emission can detect the presence of silver > > in the blood, but the ISE finds no silver ions. > > Thank you for your continued presence and contribution to our list, > Frank. Indeed I appreciate the information about silver products you've > shared with the community at large. > > That said, I do have to ask: Why should we expect the silver in the > bloodstream still to be ionic? If it is complexed with something that > the body is using as a transport mechanism, is there any reason to see > it in a test for silver ions? > > Does your high-particulate product show up in the bloodstream as ions, > or something else? Does ionic silver end up in the bloodstream, but > just not as free ions available for an ISE measurement? > > Thanks! > > Mike D. > > > [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] > [[email protected] ] > [Speaking only for myself... ] > > > -- > The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. > > Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org > > To post, address your message to: [email protected] > Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > > Address Off-Topic messages to: [email protected] > OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html > > List maintainer: Mike Devour <[email protected]> > -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: [email protected] Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: [email protected] OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour <[email protected]>
