Absolutely. Conjecture and speculation are simply that. Without repeatable observations in situ we really do not know.
Garnet On Fri, 2004-10-29 at 13:06, David W Kenney wrote: > Certainly the Acid concentration varies. How much is available and not > almost immediately combined to a non-ionic organic form is not known to me. > Suggests the need for some sophisticated research doesn't it? > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Garnet [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Friday, October 29, 2004 11:40 AM > To: Silver List > Subject: RE: CS> Diet for dogs and humans > > Mucous protects the stomach lining from HCl, without it we form ulcers > in the presence of helobacter the bacteria associated with ulcers. > > The pH of the stomach is not constant, although without my reference > physiology texts here in front of me I can not look up the range and if > it ever reaches a neutral or alkaline pH. My point is that the HCl is > not always present in significant amounts. That is amounts sufficient to > provide a quantity of ionic silver with enough chlorine to form silver > chloride. > > In the presence of food most of the HCl still might not be available to > form significant amounts of silver chloride. > > On Fri, 2004-10-29 at 11:59, David W Kenney wrote: > > I am not convinced that ionic silver forms silver chloride in the > > stomach. For one thing HCl, stomach acid, is only relesed when eating, > > its purpose is to provide the optimum acid pHh for the stomach enzymes > > to work on. But if there is no food there or digestion going on there is > > no HCl secretion. > > > > [ Not true....the pH of your stomach contents is always acidic...meaning > > there is HCl present eating or not. Of course more is secreted when you > eat > > something, depending on the need. ] > > Perhaps always acidic but even 6.9 is acidic, yet it is near neutral. > > > > > Since no one has done in vivo studies of the stomach environment when CS > > is added and actually measured / detected silver chloride I do not buy > > this theory out of hand. Besides why is my home made CS so effecitve > > were this to be true. > > > > { First, pure CS would not form AgCl. And, only the CS is effective > > therapeutically.} > > > > As well why is my mostly ionic CS so effective in food poisoning if this > > is so. > > > > There is more to an in vivo chemical reaction than merely > > extrapolating from in vitro studies. Way more, other wise we would not > > ever have to use live animal models for any studies. > > > > {This doesn't make any sense to me.} > > > > You can not precisely mimic the conditions in the stomach in vitro. > There are too many variables that can not be duplicated. > > > Last month I got sick on some spoiled lamb steaks, before the end of the > > meal I had to rush to the bathroom, almost passed out several times from > > the cramping. I told my husband to take some CS NOW so he would not get > > sick, he got only mild gas. I drank a cup of CS as soon as I could and > > my food poisoning passed quickly, but not before leaving me in a curled > > up sweated heap on the oh so cool bathroom floor. It took me a few > > minutes to get up, after cramping that hard, so hard I had to have my > > husband hold me up so I could remain seated on the toilet. Not a pretty > > story but if CS turns into silver chloride when food is in the stomach > > WHY did it work for my husband? > > > > {Because the ionic silver is doing nothing for you except if too much is > > taken, the AgCl could be toxic...It doesn't even have the osmotic effect > > that soluble salts have because it is in solid form) It causes minimal > > problems because there are few ions in the body that can take the Cl off > the > > Ag ion once it is attached. The effect you are getting is from the > > Colloidal silver...not the ionic silver.} > > How do you know the silver ions have no effect in the body. Most of the > chemical reactions in the body involve ions or at least polarized > molecules (areas of local charge) that must fit a receptor. > > > > > Too many questions and way too many assumptions being made about what > > those ions actually do in the body. > > > > ( I agree that we have to make assumptions some times...but chemistry is > > chemistry....and these reactions occur. Actually it could be easily > tested > > by having someone who gets sick and vomits...vomit in a bottle, filter > this > > and add CS and watch for precipitates. As long as they aren't vomiting > from > > achlorhydria this should be a valuable test. Point taken.) > > Intubating a set of control and experimental subjects, withdrawing > samples at specific times and proper assays would do it. Of course the > contents could change simply by this procedure. Heisinberg Uncertainty > principle at work here -- ensures that we really don't know if what we > measure is an accurate picture or if we have changed the event by the > very act of observing it. > > <smile> > > Garnet > > > > > Dr. Kenney > > Garnet > > > > On Fri, 2004-10-29 at 09:26, Dr. David W. Kenney wrote: > > > silver would form silver chloride in the stomach > > > almost instantly...and little if any...would get into the system. > > > Just make a solution of salt and water...and pour it into a sample of > your > > > CS...if there is lots of ionic silver...you will get a white precipitate > > > almost instantly... > > > Dr. Kenney > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. > > > > Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org > > > > To post, address your message to: [email protected] > > Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > > > > Address Off-Topic messages to: [email protected] > > OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html > > > > List maintainer: Mike Devour <[email protected]> > > >
