> > The oxides do not contribute to the conductivity of the cs, and > here's how we can tell. > > If you measure the cell voltage, it decreases with time as ions > enter the solution. > > However, as soon as the ions reach the opposite electrodes, oxide > formation begins in the Nernst diffusion layer. The cell voltage > stops decreasing and flattens out. This shows all the current is > going to making oxides. ## Except that they could also be coating the electrodes with a non or semi conductive surface which would also flatted the voltage decrease curve by partaially preventing the current from reaching the opposite electrode like putting a resistor in series. Not that what you say doesn't happen too , but I've cleaned the electrodes and had the voltage start dropping again after stalling out many a time. At the low end of a voltage plot after about 30uS, it does tend to flatten out even after cleaning the electrodes while the current stay the same. Up to around 25-30 uS the drop is pretty linear at 1 ma. Beyond that point, the CS going yellow gets more and more likely as well...and, yellow CS reacts to H2O2 very much like it reacts with the black oxide on the electrode and the black fluffy deposits that copper drops onto the bottom after a piece of shiny copper wire is left there for several days. In the Canadian study that James Allison re-found, there is mention of copper being antagonistic to silver ions. Could be a correlation there?
> But, if the oxides contributed to the conductivity, the cell voltage > would continue decreasing indefinitely. ## I'll buy that beyond a point over 20 uS, but also look at where most of the oxides are..on the electrode surface...not doing much in the way of conducting electricity. > > >> I combined his data with Frank Key's, and found it averaged to > >> 1.0074, which is close enough to 1 uS = 1 ppm for our needs: > > > Yup. Close is good enough for a grenade. > > OK, Ken, just for you I'll use 1.0074 ppm = 1 uS, which is 0.74% > different from the rest of us. How many decimal points do you want?:) ## I was referring to CS in general as the grenade and precise PPM not mattering much so long as you get into the parking lot of the ball park. 1 to 1 is better than OK. :-) > > [...] > > > What happened to the simple thermal stirring you used to use? > Actually, I tried it as well as the other methods, and found running > without stirring worked best for me. Of course, I use about 1/10th > the current density you do, so the brew takes longer. ## I still use it because it is unbreakable and you can't wear it out, [and looks cool] but also offer a way to enhance it..if desired. It's not necessary to get a desired result but it does save some time and steps to get there. > > That's OK - I still make much more than I can use. With 22 ppm, I > only need 1 oz every three or four days, where I used to need 8 oz > of 10 ppm every day, and it still didn't kill the Shingles and cold > sore viruses. ## Everyone is different and ya gotta do what works. I've never known any CS to not stop a cold sore but I don't know everyone. I don't know anyone with shingles going either way..except you. Your experience may well be very useful for someone who has tried and not succeeded. > > > All silver oxides I know of display a color ranging from > > yellow-brown to black. What if there is no color yet many > > particles are apparent in a TE? How could they be an oxide? > > Yes, despite Marshall's claim, the oxides that coat the electrodes > are not soluble, and they do contribute to Tyndall. ## How could they do that if they're on the electrodes? There's more than one oxide of silver. [4, I believe] Ag2O colour: dark brown to black. solubility/water @25C: 22 mg/L AgO colour: charcoal gray powder, black crystal solubility/water @20C: decomposes in water. ..which means? If you see any, the water is already saturated with it????? ..backing up what you say but going a bit beyond to say that both views are correct depending on concentrations but neither saying anything about pure silver particles also being there in the water or what actually happens when H2O2 hits those dissolved oxides and why it sometimes does nothing apparent at all. > That really bothers me. I got it once, but never again. And now you > and several others are getting it. Strange. ## The "explosion of milkyness". I didn't get it at first either, but I was using off the shelf batches, not very fresh batches. Perhaps when you make yours at very low current densities and a lot of time, whatever happens to stored batches happens to yours as it's being made...most of the time. I tried running at 14 microamps per square inch [if I recollect that figure right] as per your suggestion a while back and the CS was deep yellow before I got to 20 uS. I've never seen yellow CS "explode"..just clear up eventaully and increase TE [not lose TE as some find] I never use more than 1 drop of H2O2 per fl oz as I hate the taste after that. [yuk] I think the solution to all this will be a matter of this 'and' that, plus the other stuff, rather than this 'or' that, excluding the rest. Too complicated for me and I can't bring myself to simplify something that plainly ain't simple. I guess I'll just have to go with whatever works without knowing what it is. [Given a mountain of ammo, I don't really care how much shot doesn't hit the duck so long as I get dinner.] If 'this' isn't working for me, I'll for sure go with 'that' which does, for me. Whatever the heck it is that works for you, I'm very glad you found it and it has value. Can't have too many options. > > Ode [ken] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: [email protected] Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: [email protected] OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour <[email protected]>
