Nope, that post had no heading and looked like a dogs breakfast again.
Third (and last) time lucky maybe?
My comments have the hashes ###

David


"Hello David  et al ... ,

Re the  your  comment  to do with the health of the  Health Food
Industry 
and  Government Controls re  Herbal Medicines , Vitamins / Minerals .  
And 
what you belive is a near  return to the same status  prior to that of
the 
Pan Pharmaceutical fiasco .

I  disagree  with you  . Since  the Pan issue  came into existence . 
Government here in Australia has systematically   created a climate ,in 
which  all Herbal and Vitamins etc supplements  have come under  extreme 
scrutiny and restriction  and this has been accomplished via  a 
creating  huge expense  to the makers of Herbal supplements ."

#### Havent they brought this upon themselves.  Travel tablets that make
kids hallucinate?  Headache
tablets with no paracetamol? Pan was probably just the tip of the
iceberg.  I personally knew a man who
made and wholesaled a range of shampoos. He sold a dozen different
types, but they were really all the
same formula. One drop of aloe vera in a 44 gallon drum of shampoo was
enough to call it his Aloe Vera
formula. Likewise his herbal formula etc. etc.  He thought it was 
funny. Recent independant tests have
shown that some vitamin tablets contained insignificant quantities of
the claimed vitamins. And these
were well known brands! Anyone who thinks this is an industry totally in
the hands of honest operators
is kidding themselves, in fact the looseness of the rules attracts
con-men.  A lot of the labelling and
advertising claims are still pretty outrageous. 


"With  government authorities demanding  constant  changes in labeling
and 
packaging" 

#### I have no complaints about anyone (even the government) wanting
honest advertising. 


"To the extent that companies processing and preparing these 
alternative medicine and supplements.     Can no longer justify  the 
expense in producing many herbal medicines  for sale . When considering
the 
public demand,  which is effectively ,  a small customer base  when 
balanced against the costing of producing these products .  All  due to 
government meddling .

The company must obtain a licence for each product it manufactures . 
Each 
licence  is obtained at a minimum cost of $75,000 plus  AU ". 

##### Can you explain this? $75,000 for every product. This would be an
impossible figure to bear if
its true? 

"  Each time 
the government department shows dislike of the product labeling and or
its 
content .
The company is required to  comply at yet further great expense  in 
changing labels  and or content  and obtaining approval.
By then the goal post has often been moved by the powers that be ,
causing 
more delays and expenditure ...   and constant tweaking of the regulations.
To the extent that , other than the basic  supermarket lines ( that have
a 
rapid turnover ) , few actual herbal medicines are  obtainable here  in 
Australia , compared with the situation prior to the Pan  fiasco ."

#####  Can you give an example of something that is no longer available?
 Sandee, can you give an
example of something thats available in the US but not in Australia?. 


"Now one has to consult with a naturapath in order to obtain the herbal 
medicines one may require .    Naturally if this professional  feels  
you 
do not need the herbal medicine you seek . Then you simply will not 
obtain 
it ."

##### The stuff on the shelves just wasnt trusted.  After the Pan fiasco
a lot of users just abandoned
many pre-packaged products. Maybe thats why some are no longer
available.  Did the naturapaths benefit
or suffer? 

"Unless the product is manufactured overseas  and you are able to obtain
it 
on line . . Thereby effectively reducing your choices  and  with that
your 
freedom to care for your health according to your own wishes .

David go visit a health food store and carefully  check out what they
have 
on their shelves, then go to the supermarket and do the same re their 
natural medicine lines ...    You will note there is little more  on
offer 
at the local Health Food Store than you can purchase at your local Coles 
or  numerous Supermarkets in Australia .
Its actually a sad state of affairs , considering that we in Oz had so
much 
available  that other countries  would have envied , prior to the Pan 
fiasco .. In my opinion ,  the Pan situation  was made to order and
fitted 
the governments agenda  to gain more control of the industry .   Perfect 
wasn't it ?

Regards
Margaret" 

####The industry needed a kick up the backside and a lot of them got
exactly what they deserved. But
yes, I'm sure the 'gumment' and the big drug companies couldn't stop
smiling. The drug companies always
have an agenda. And the government bureaucrats always latch onto
anything that increases their power
and makes them feel important. 

David


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